Angela Carini to be awarded prize money by IBA

God there are some really, really stupid, men calling in.

I believe Caitlyn Jenner (who was of course a hugely successful olympic athlete and now very publicly transitioned) is a very controversial figure in trans activism because Caitlyn does not think it is correct to allow a blanket “trans women are women so of course they can compete in women’s sports”.
Nice to hear some sort of consideration for fairness.

Indeed, once they knew (and I am certain they knew well before last years testing) then ok it might be difficult to believe and your whole life has been a lie, but we dont need to continue colluding in that lie.
You go and get counselling, you "reframe your trauma " whatever gets you to the point you need to be at. You do not go into the ring to fight a woman.

Is basic biology not taught in schools now?

Vanessa Feltz is massively TWAW. I wonder if this is giving her pause for thought?

Quite. If Mike Tyson had been made to wear a dress and Mary Janes when he was a child I wouldn’t allow him into women’s boxing.

Do people really believe that a female, in a rural community in Algeria, would be allowed to train in boxing, if they had not obviously been through male puberty? Seriously?

LBC I mean. The woman who is talking now is disgraceful.

Helen Joyce is on LBS now, talking to Vanessa Feltz about this.

I agree.

I'm unsympathetic to "what about how this person was brought up" arguments I keep seeing. So what?

If someone has been brought up to believe material reality is something else, why is it incumbent on the rest of us to keep up the pretence? It isn't.

He and the IOC are instructing the entire globe to keep up a false construct.

NO.

That is a magnificent tweet thread.

Thanks.

I am deeply sceptical of Khelif's entire claimed backstory.

i don't think these two or some other athletes with rare genetical conditions are in the same league of depravity as "lia" thomas.

Nor do I, and I agree and feel sympathetic, especially given Khelif’s background in Algeria. I am sure she believes what she’s been brought up and taught and told to believe about herself, much during her early childhood, no doubt in good faith by those who told her she was a girl - though coaches might have known she might have a DSD as time went on.

But this is all the more reason for the IOC to have clear tests ( no need for genital inspections, nor was there ever) and to arrange alternative competitions.

It ends up with no women bothering with sport. It cant even go underground.

There will be no grassroots womens sports in 4 or 5 years. Why bother, you'll rarely win against a man. You'll have to practice with men and boys. You'll have to get changed with men and boys etc.

We will collectively now try to regain womens sports (and it angers me we have to) and fail because this is only the beginning. Itll take a tipping point and we are not yet at that point. By the time we win, we will have lost so much ground. It takes years to get to Olympic standard. We will have to start again, gaining money, time, trainers, grounds to train in. All the rest of the stuff.
God I'm heartbroken today.

Oh and to add to what I said above it's a zero sum game for women because a few wins against one or two men will very quickly turn around into total destruction when more and more men get through as 'female'.

One or two males in a competition can be mitigated for a little bit but what happens when half the competitors are male, a third or 3/4? Where does it end up?

This.

agree, just thought it was funny that ibragimova beat both of them. now i'm sad that she lost her first fight and is out of the paris games.
all known trans athletes are at best on the low side of mediocre men. if someone really good decides that he is a woman it would be a murder. i don't think these two or some other athletes with rare genetical conditions are in the same league of depravity as "lia" thomas but they have no place in women's sport. doesn't matter how many fights they loose.

FWIW, I have been having a discussion over a long period of time with a young man who has a DSD. He is very upset and angry because ignorant people keep telling him that he is female. No matter how many times he tells them what the DSD actually does to his body, they just won't listen! Be kind! Huh!

Thank you. Thank you.

This propaganda of the ignorant is outrageous.

Absolutely!

Oh and to add to what I said above it's a zero sum game for women because a few wins against one or two men will very quickly turn around into total destruction when more and more men get through as 'female'.

One or two males in a competition can be mitigated for a little bit but what happens when half the competitors are male, a third or 3/4? Where does it end up?

https://x.com/Slatzism/status/1819427537740558848?t=HPEwqwFd_1DSI4ouPngK7Q&s=19
I found this thread the most informative as it puts straight all the misinformation posted online.
The IOC have behaved disgracefully on this imo.

Her opponent has a DSD. It really is that simple. He has a DSD that makes him appear to be female. The answer is that the authority running the Olympics have a proper DNA test done, AND publish the results. It's totally unfair to women to allow him to box against them.