Feminism may turn out to be a short-lived civil rights movement if we don’t wake up to the threat that females now face

I quite often used to hear men laughing that they wouldn’t hold a door open for a woman “ because women want to be equal”. I don’t know if they routinely slammed doors in other men’s faces.

This is very true and I console myself with this thought when I see plenty of women on social media siding with wannabe females.

We've had some, "I'm as GC/feminist as they come but…[proceed to indicate that theirs is a self-identified status that is unlikely to be validated by posters on FWR]" posts and threads. Similarly, lots of self-appointed scolders who like to tell FWR posters that they're 'woman-ing or feminist-ing' in a manner that displeases them.

Such posters occasionally break out over in AIBU where their self-identity may last for longer with non-FWR regulars or those unaccustomed to reading Bunbury's Handbook.

Happy: "Men have been getting raped in the army for centuries. No one cares. I know I used to work in the area."

I have mixed feelings about this. It's taken a very long time to persuade men to acknowledge rape as a weapon on war. I'm mixed as to whether it's become easier to acknowledge this because soldiers can now displace this apprehension onto their female colleagues.

One difference and on-going difficulty here may lie in a willingness to explore and acknowledge whether rape and/or sexual humiliation and exploitation is use as a method to control/punish fellow soldiers, male and female, rather than the issue of rape by opposing forces?

Happy, despite the rhetoric of welfare etc., is there under-recognition or denial of the issue as an issue of control within the service in addition to part of warfare?

Ive never heard a feminist say anything of the kind. There is invariably more nuance.
But I have frequently heard people of bad faith or not bright, interpret it like that to make a crap point.
Usually men, but not always.

I was about to say the same. It’s the man saying “If you want equal rights men should slam doors in your face”.Just an excuse for misogyny.

Men have been getting raped in the army for centuries. No one cares. I know I used to work in the area.

Iran is a great example. Imagine if ,50% of the men in the country decided 'do you know what I want my daughter's and sisters and wife to have freedom in life, and I am going to protest the government' - those 50 % of men, and the women alongside them would actually stand a chance in making a change.

Without the support, strength and defence of those men, the women in Iran do not stand a chance. It's the same biological reality that says don't put a male in a boxing ring with a female.

I've read the whole article. I agree with her, and I like the article.

she CLEARLY makes the link that violence as against women is from violent men.

she just doesn't make the entirely stupid suggestion that 'well if men just stopped being violent then everything would be OK'.

I think opinions on migrants are totally dependant on where you live. If you live in a lovely English country village you can pontificate over migration. If you live in a working lass town that has a huge migrant influx, your feelings may be very different.

just writing something off as 'bad' without stopping to consider the points in hand, is just as dangerous as those who shout 'transphobe'. It's about being righteous and not listening to the concerns of those affected.

It discounts history and all the tribalism and war that went with it. Which was mostly men defending their land and families from other tribes of men.
How we think we can just theorise this reality away until it doesn't exist is wishful, dangerous thinking.

Thinking that women can defend ourselves alone is absolutely fucking ridiculous. Look at Iran. A whole country of men decide to subjugate women and there is FUCK ALL women can do about it.

We better fucking hope there are some strong men willing to defend our rights or we are absolutely screwed

Interesting to see the parallels. During the fight for votes for women there were plenty of women who opposed the idea and campaigned against it. It wasn't a simple case of men against women.

The same is happening today with plenty of women opposed to the feminists who are ringing the alarm bells as women's rights are eroded.

Oh, assumed you'd be talking about the mass movement in America and other countries to end women's bodily autonomy, prevent them divorcing, ban contraception, limit the movements of women of childbearing age etc.... yeah, that's a serious threat all right.

archive.ph will make a copy of any page you ask it to, and is automated, so it's possible someone might have archived dodgy stuff there at some time.

Thanks. It's not an assumption. I get a government message which flags up the site for paedophilia. The links worked fine up until a week ago.

What an odd assumption. You might wish to look into a VPN.

What was particularly telling about the scenes outside Downing Street on Thursday night was how many women were present (some of whom ended up being man-handled by police). Were they all far-Right thugs and football hooligans? Or is it more likely that they are women desperate for someone to finally stand up for them and their daughters?

I’m tired of feminism insisting that women should be treated like men and then getting hysterical when they are treated like men, and then expecting me to get riled up about it.
Since when does feminism say we should treat women exactly like men? That's not my understanding of feminism. It is, however, the argument put forward by lots of sexist men as to why it's fine for a woman to be punched by a male.

I can no longer access archive links as they seem to be blocked in my country, presumably because the servers also host some dodgy content? Could someone paste the contentious last paragraph?

Happyinarcon Male soldiers have forever been against serving alongside women and say it’s because they feel women are the physically weaker sex and need to be protected.

Yes and women serving in the army feel so very protected by their male comrades from physical abuse like assault and rape, don't they?

-A female teenage soldier is believed to have taken her own life after relentless sexual harassment...
-2021 Armed Forces Continuous Attitudes Survey reported that 11% of female personnel ..had experienced sexual harassment in the Service environment in the previous 12 months..
-A black female soldier who fronted British Army recruitment campaigns has spoken for the first time about how years of racist abuse and bullying made her life whilst serving “a living hell”.
-Thousands of soldiers, mostly women, have been the victims of rape and sexual assault in the American military...
and so on and so on...

This man is not 'ridiculously strong' compared to other males who have also been through male puberty. The strength difference is huge That's why this is unfair and unsafe for the women athletes.

not killed anyone yet.
Oh how kind of you! So if a woman dies you'll reconsider? Get a grip.

The OP includes an archive link where you can read the full article despite the paywall.

It looks like you don't want to read the article. Fair enough, but it's not because it isn't available to you.

@Happyinarcon yes, that's mainstream, liberal feminism, which basically isn't feminism at all. Second wave aka radical feminism (radical in the sense of the roots, not in the sense of extreme) aka women's liberation is much clearer and doesn't do the "sex work is work" or "men and women are just the same" pandering nonsense.