Anti GC online abuse

One man rapes girls, one man hits women for a living, don’t see the joke. Why do you think one of these things is ok?

Is it just me or does the online abuse seem even stronger than usual on this topic?

I've also been trying to calmly fact check some of the false information I've seen on social media, posting links to sources, asking polite questions - and it seems like it just immediately triggers so many of these people to invective.

Feels like voluntary inattentional blindness to have missed them but that can be important to people who need to sustain their personal cognitive biases.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inattentional_blindness

Almost like some posters don't actually care about WAG unless they are the XY sort.

I know I've seen other posters from this thread on the rapist thread. I know I was there. Because WAG's safety is actually important to me.

Did you miss all the numerous threads on mumsnet re Van De Velde?

Just googled the definition of transgender and the first one to come up is "people whose gender identity is different from the gender they were thought to be at birth"

I dont actually know the gender identity of the 2 boxers but they are presumably identifying as female, at least until their boxing career is over. So they are not transgender but they are males who knew when they went through male puberty that the sex they were assigned at birth was wrong. They also know that their male puberty gives them unfair advantage over women boxers so they are cheats.

Imane was not "born female", Imane was incorrectly assigned female at birth and Imane knows that. Calling Imane "male" is factually correct and the truth is not defamatory.

Havent seen "hate" for the boxers - quite a bit of sympathy for their DSD but a lot of dislike for cheats.

If anyone wants to take action on Van de Velde, you can still write to the

NOCNSF.

https://nocnsf.nl/

It may be worth also writing to the Dutch government, and/or the tourist board, to express how you feel about that country putting a child rapist forward for the Olympics.

https://www.holland.com/global/tourism

https://www.netherlandsandyou.nl/web/united-kingdom/about-us/contact-embassy-london

If you would prefer to just use some shitty meme to try and sneer at women, rather than actually doing something to help, then in my view you are dishonouring the victim of this horrible crime, and I will not share what I think of that course of action.

You don’t appear to be on the dutch rapist thread…

Where did i say you weren’t allowed your opinion?

i asked were you ever ashamed of your posts, i have seen many posts in here that i disagree with but those posters aren’t unnecessarily mean

Yeah it’s really weird my sjw Dutch friend has said NOTHING about his fellow country man raping a child. Go bros!*

Maybe ask why there’s so few men on SM criticising a rapist but so many angry at women atheletes.

Maybe pop over the rapist thread, Chris I’m sure we’re all clamouring for your input 🙄

*clearly I’m not meaning Matt, Luke and Ken here.

Plus we actually ARE "making a fuss" about the other thing.

So firstly, whether they are a "biological woman" is exactly the thing in dispute.

Secondly, the "why aren't you making a fuss about this other thing" approach, I probably wouldn't say it's always wrong to use that, but it's hardly a strong line of argument when it's (a) a change of subject, and (b) appears to function as an ad hom attack on the motivation of the person; but questionable motivations or inconsistency (even when real) don't show claims or arguments to be wrong in any straightforward easy way.

Also Khelif isn't a biological woman, but that's by the by. But that is bizarrely and irrelevantly shoehorned in there as if a biological woman would never be hated. Try Rose West.

What hate? No one here has said they hate this boxer.

And you have clearly missed the long running thread here about that unpleasant specimen of a beach volleyball player.

Are memes allowed here?

Nonetheless, a refusal to acknowledge open truths was behind Liberace's successful libel action. I've no idea if the law has moved on in all jurisdictions since then…

https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/jun/12/daily-mirror-liberace

The IOC want this, so they won't put a stop to it. Men in women's boxing is a feature, not a bug.

I highly doubt Khelif will be suing anyone.

Its only defamatory if it's not true.

From what I am reading, sex is defined by which reproductive system someone has, and whether it could potentially produce male gametes or female gametes.

So people with DSDs are male or female based on whether they have male or female reproductive organs, regardless of whether they are fully functional or not. Their sex isn’t based on their chromosomes.

Someone with Swyer syndrome is female, because they have internal female reproductive organs, with non-functional ovaries. So they’re women, even though they have XY chromosomes.

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/swyer-syndrome/

I agree that the existence of DSD conditions don’t mean that sex is a spectrum. None of them are an extra sex.

Christinapple · Yesterday 17:22

Ms Rowling is outright calling Imane a "male" and using male pronouns for her, and saying she is "enjoying the distress of a woman who was punched". I'm not a lawyer but some might potentially see all that as defamatory.

Only if it's untrue. Have you seen the footage of they whooping and chest beating?

What about the distress of the women them has beaten up? Don't the count for anything at all, in your reality? Angela Carini only took two punches and her face was completely messed up, on both sides. I found that pretty shocking, she looked like she'd been in a hard ten rounder.

TWO punches, only two. I can't recall seeing anything like that before.

JeremiahBullfrog · 04/08/2024 08:48

If they've only recently discovered they're really male then it's sad for them personally if they can't compete. But this sort of thing happens all the time: sportspeople break bones or discover a heart condition, and their careers are over.

How very well said.