The IOC: “ we don’t want a return to the bad old days of sex testing”

Does that go for the Paralympics too? No more 'bad old days' of ascertaining whether a person qualifies as disabled? No more 'bad old days' of categorising level of disability? It can all be done by how one identifies - look forward to seeing how that pans out.

I cannot answer to the stupidity or corruption but the IOC is clearly morally bankrupt.

The IOC don't want any sex testing because they want to eradicate sex as the basis of a category.
Taken from Science of Sport podcast: their top two sport policy priorities are

1. inclusion
2. avoiding harm to anyone's identity

They have drunk the Kool-Aid. This situation with the boxers is a good thing in their eyes. Exposing women to harm barely registers as a problem because the aim of inclusion is so noble. They will not back down because they are absolutely intent on putting men into women's sports.

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If only there were people whose job it is to investigate this stuff.

We could call them journalists.

My head is completely frazzled from reading all the DSD information. And all the hate against JKR.

Ha didnt see your post, I asked the same question, where is the money trail going and coming from?
Certainly it would explain their irrational defensiveness and bluster.

Are they just completely stupid or totally corrupt?
Wheres the money trail?

What I really don't understand is what does the IOC have to gain by allowing DSD men to continue in women's sports?
Obvs all that stuff about witch hunts and 'bad old days' was just bluster to cover up their real motives.
The only thing I can think of is that they are receiving back-hand bribes from the criminal coaches who have scouted the DSD men and no-one wants the gravy train to stop or to lose their investment.

Any other theories?

Yep humiliating and inconclusive.

Which is ironic because the most problematic candidates have superficially female genitalia anyway. That's why they were incorrectly registered at birth.

World Athletics has a comprehensive code for this. The code applies to 46XY DSD individuals who produce and respond to T. It would be perfect if the next words were 'may not compete in the women's category'.

Instead, they require them to endure long term androgen blockade, which does not reverse male puberty, and is bad for their health.

Having these rules incentivises promoters to seek out young people with DSDs and could even disincentivise appropriate medical and social response to DSDs.

Heard the bloke (I think Mark Adams?) on ITV News bleating on about ''witch hunts''.

Well sex testing athletes would put an end to ''witch hunts'' whilst proving the IOC take women's safety and fairness seriously, wouldn't it?

With no sex testing, no testosterone testing, making out that a passport is the most important thing when it comes to participating in women's boxing, and pretending that having a one-off cheek swab is oh so humiliating and degrading, I think people can be forgiven for thinking that the IOC just don't give a shit about males battering women on their watch.

My understanding is that CAIS individuals are over represented in elite sports compared to the general population because not all advantages of the y chromosome are affected by testosterone.

Coming to an Olympics near you soon 'ladies it's back to running no further than 400m for you, don't you know your wombs could fall out?'
If you didn't get all above yourselves and demand to be allowed all the sports you wouldn't be in the boxing ring to get hit by men, so you brought it on yourselves really.

I thought that individuals with CAIS are thought to have a sporting advantage over 46 XY women. They are over-represented in elite sports compared with in the general population. See discussion here x.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1070098298885890050

I think it's more that using CAIS as an excuse lets in the much more advantaged individuals who've gone through male puberty. Yes, there's a debate to be had about CAIS, but we fall at the first hurdle, and the debate never happens.

By not going back to the 'bad old days' of sex testing the IOC is taking us even further back to the 'bad old days' when women were ignored and counted for nothing.

Are we really pretending that not having 1+ weeks a month affected by menstruation / PMPD isn’t an advantage? I’m not an athlete but I know I’d be further up the career ladder had I never had to contend with periods (now that I’m over 40 they are basically incapacitating me 2 weeks every month).

I suspect that lots of people assume that sex tests for athletes still comprise physical checks of the naked body and those in power aren't in any hurry to disabuse the public of that.

Here's some women with CAIS. If they have advantages (tall, no periods), they pale into insignificance compared to men with 5-ard. If they introduced a dna test but then gave the CAIS individuals a pass, other competitors would be massively better off. And it's simple! And they wouldn't have to publicise anyone's CAIS status (or any other medical details about anybody). Why are they making such a meal of it?

IOC, yes we do.

Not sex testing benefits men and enables them to disadvantage, oppress, coerce and actually physically injure women through the medium of sport.

I would agree that when sex testing was essentially a naked parade it was the bad old days but a cheeky swab not so much.

You're quite right, @BodyKeepingScore, that we should ask very simple questions such as 'why?' or 'why not?', 'in what way was that bad and for whom?' I've had it with thinking that people in authority know what they're doing.