The IOC: “ we don’t want a return to the bad old days of sex testing”

Seconded.

Isn't it just? 🤬🤬🤬

He seemed quite shocked and upset that some people want woman to mean woman, how very dare we!

Kinell.

I can't wait for Janice Turner to get hold of that.

If the president of the IOC is actually going to claim that definitions are subjective and anyone can own them, there's not a journalist in the land who wouldn't be able to run with that for all eternity.

He really did 🤬

Can I just say a big thank you to all the women posting the facts, statistics, and statements to give all the background to this.

Proper evidence in the teeth of clowns running around squirting water from their buttonholes.

"some want to own the definition of woman'"

Tell me he didn't say this!

(I'm afraid my blood pressure will do for me if I actually watch that clip).

many more statements like this and the frantic un-saying of things, and he's going to bloody hang himself.

Thanks @Helleofabore I will have a read of the link.
How very unsurprising that the wishes of female athletes got ignored.

sorry, Ig, I found the article and posted it on another thread thinking it was this thread. My brain is running too hot at the moment, my apologies.

ww.nature.com/articles/gim2000258.pdf?origin=ppub&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=CONR_PF018_ECOM_GL_PHSS_ALWYS_DEEPLINK&utm_content=textlink&utm_term=PID100045542&CJEVENT=f4d4c8630a0411ed831b01a80a1c0e11

From the article "At the time of testing, all female athletes at the Atlanta Games were offered a questionnaire written in both English and French asking whether in their view testing of females should be continued in future Olympics and whether or not they were made anxious by the testing procedure.18Of the 928 athletes who responded, 82% felt that testing should be continued and 94% indicated that they were not made anxious by the procedure. Forty-six athletes were made "anxious" by the testing requirements that preceded their competitive events. No males were found to masquerade as females, and all females who were found to be SRY positive competed. While a similar proportion of females failed the test as in previous Olympics (Table 2), it is noteworthy that on this occasion no false positive tests were found and no athlete was barred from competition.'

So, 82% of the women answered that they felt sex testing should continue when surveyed at the 1996 Olympics. This was ignored.

In 1996, 8 of the 'female' competitors were found to have a DSD. 7 were CAIS and 1 was 5ARD. This was a rate of 1 in 423 and hence you will see it said that CAIS athletes are found in higher proportions in the female sports categories than in society in general. That rate is significantly higher than the general population. I can only think though that the lower 5ARD number might have been due to them being screened out so much previously? I don't know, the proportion of the males diagnosed with CAIS to 5ARD may be similar still.

Unsurprisingly there has never been a woman IOC president

A future opportunity for the male women when they've physically finished destroying female sport.

Thomas Bach and I are from the same town. My very sporty family used to cheer him on through all the his fencing competitions. I'm utterly ashamed the fecking idiot is a fellow Wuerzburger.

Do we think Mark Adams has said bugger this for a game of soldiers I'm not going out there again, someone on a higher pay grade will have to deal with this shit?

'some want to own the definition of woman'

Well yes, women do, we don't want to have to include men in the definition. Why not consult experts if it's just too tricky? Call Prof. Winston I'm sure he could give you a workable solution.

Can it really be harder to sort people into two sex categories correctly than it is to to sort Paralympians with multiple different impairments into fair and safe groups?

Oh and the reason those boxers have previously completed as women is because your organisation declined to carry out any testing or lay down any criteria beyond they say so.

They’re stuck with a “reduced testosterone” rule I think, which is as good as they can do right now. I think he knows but is stuck as per the World Athletics legalities, but if he was in charge of the IOC he could mandate different rules (if he got the job when people know this and didn’t fight him on it if he got the job).

I think Seb Coe wants this job. I think he would actually listen on this. Unsurprisingly there has never been a woman IOC president

Aren't males with DSDs still eligible to compete in female athletics under his watch?

That’s not just a spokesperson. It’s Thomas Bach, the President, boss of the whole Olympics. His contempt and stupidity is beyond belief.

I think Seb Coe wants this job. I think he would actually listen on this. Unsurprisingly there has never been a woman IOC president 🙄

Let me try this, Thomas Bach.

"If the chromosome's a Y
He will ALWAYS be a guy"

You invited people to explain to you. So, I have. But .... you know this already, don't ya? You know full well, these boxers are men. And, at a time when VAWG is at a terrifying level and increasing, you sanction men to smash the faces of women for the world to see.

Do the decent thing and resign!

I was blown away by the spokesman's patronising, controlling attitude as he said that. It was the IOC's version of 'no debate' but it just won't wash.

Bloody hell! How dumb can he be?!

”I invite anyone to come up with a better definition [than someone recorded at birth, raised as a woman, passport F] of woman and we will listen.”

Watch now how an extensive list of highly qualified people give him a definition and he and the IOC ignore it.

Obliviously no one can ever run/swim 100m in zero seconds so eventually records will hit a stick point where they can't be broken.
Many of the newer sports that have been introduced to the Olympics are those with marks for skills (skateboarding, breaking, BMX freestyle etc.) or with races over an event specific course (mountain biking, speed climbing etc.) so world record times are less of a thing - new tricks and skills will develop that push up scores and maintain interest.
The IOC should focus on keeping sport safe, fair and clean and let the interest arise from amazing athletes pushing themselves to the limit.

https://x.com/JournalismSEEN/status/1819652821202972696?t=eE-WiaOUttEGuFpviA5qgw&s=19

Thomas Bach, IOC President, on the boxers, in the last few minutes.

Professional analysis: this is unlikely to calm the situation.
Clip attached in above link. I can't really believe what I've just watched.

Full video

https://www.youtube.com/live/NXciEQWZghM?feature=shared

They wouldn't even correct the record after the East German doping scandal, although many of the medal holders offered to return them, and the records are sufficiently complete to be corrected.

I've lost track of whether Sharron Davies ever had her rightful medals despite all the talk about this. afaik, no?

Took the words right out of my mouth. All the background noise about competitive advantage is largely irrelevant. It's simple. Women's events are for women, ie grown up biological females. Not for men, however shit they may be.

I'll revisit my Euro 2004 example. Why did UEFA not invite Burkina Faso to enter Euro 2024? They had no competitive advantage over anyone and wouldn't trouble the European teams. Why? Because it's a competition for European teams.

Inclusivity is driving all this shit and it's not the lovely, warm word that many give it credit for. Some things are just not intended to be wholly inclusive. Elite sport is one. And single sex spaces are another!

So, men ..... I'm out of fucks to give for your sob stories and pity parties. Piss off and leave women alone 🤬

They wouldn't even correct the record after the East German doping scandal, although many of the medal holders offered to return them, and the records are sufficiently complete to be corrected.

Yes.
It's always worth mentioning that there have been several male athletes in the past who have had the honour and decency to have withdrawn from female competition as soon as they found out that they were male.