Help me present evidence to my son

Your colleague “Laura” is likely APG. You’ve been sold a sob story.

It's astonishing that some people still use the "you can't tar them all with the same brush!" argument when it comes to prisons.

Hello, this is prison.

Every single person there has been convicted of a serious offence resulting in a custodial sentence.

But you want us to assume that they are fluffy little bunnies until proven otherwise?

OK...

🙃

He knows he’s male. His trainers know he’s male. His country knows he’s male. Even knowing this, he still decided it was ok to get into a boxing ring and batter a female. Just because the IOC rule of self ID says he can fight as a female, it doesn’t mean he should. Patriarchy at its most finest!

I slightly disagree. I think anyone who believes that women and girls should welcome biological men into their female only spaces should be shamed.

However, you forget to mention that the overwhelming majority of sex offenders are male, and 100% of TW are also male. Offending records show that TW sex offenders are much more highly represented in the general male prison population.
We have single sex provision in certain areas for the safety, protection and dignity of females, that’s why no males should be allowed into those specific spaces, regardless of how they ‘identify’.

Yes this for what feels like the eleventy billionth time

my DH is lovely & harmless. He wouldn’t hurt a fly. However he’s still a man which is why he’s kept out of women’s spaces. he understands it’s not personal - it’s because he’s male

we keep TW out for the same reason because they are men. Being male is the qualification fir being a TW

I really don’t see what’s so hard to understand about this

No, the fight between a male with F on his passport and a female.

But the reason there are women-only spaces is because we do (necessarily) judge an entire group (men) by the very worst behaviour of some, it's precautionary. Transwomen are NOT women, they are men, and they pose the same risk as other men.

That's not what's happening and you know it.

@Littlepinkstarsbyradish I don't really understand how what you have written translates to Laura being a woman. Plenty of people of both sexes have those experiences. There is a 50 year old trans woman in a local athletics club who insists on changing with the girls who don't want to. Do you think that's fair?

The Olympics dispute is over a man with an (unspecified DSD) who was tested by the IBA in 2023 and found to have XY chromosomes - that makes him a man and he should not be fighting a woman.
There is no implication that trans identified males so identify to put up cameras or masturbate in women's lavatories (what an odd thing to do). The point being made is that if you insist on TWAW and allow men who identify as women into such spaces then it allows all men into those spaces, and some men will use this to put up cameras etc.
You need to pick out the salient points of an argument and not assume that what you think it implies is actually implied. Read the words.

Re the boxer, there is an implication someone else has picked up. The IOC do not want to talk about chromosomes which suggests they are gearing up to allow more trans-identified men into women's sports. Admitting that the boxer in question has XY chromosomes and that this is significant would disqualify all transwomen, who will have XY chromosomes.

I’d ‘transition’ OP, even better if his dad will play along and do it too (not permanently obviously), and then play out all those sexist stereotypes in reverse. Show him what he’s supporting. I find seeing things with my own eyes far more compelling than someone trying to change my mind.

Your friend is ‘living as a transwoman’, which is a type of man and that’s fine. They can’t ’live as a woman’ because a woman is not a ‘way of life’ it is a word used to describe a member of the female sex. It’s interesting you mention the pressure to “act like a man” highlighting how much of this is about stereotypes. Transitioning bakes those stereotypes in, which is one reason why many feminists have a problem with the whole concept.

the science of sport podcast

lays it out very clearly.
is about the boxing cheat in particular, but also about msle physiology in general.

Yes, I also wouldn't take it particularly seriously, I'd roll my eyes as a pp suggests.

Downview is where the high security trans unit for men with GRCs was for the most dangerous men with GRCs. Where they were allowed to mix with the female prisoners for their own benefit, because women are just props in men's lives.

I wouldn’t bother getting all upset and citing evidence- it’s a mindset and makes you look desperate.

I just eye rolled and said men can’t be women and the consequences of enforcing this belief are bad for women in many ways. Not all women consent to this ideology so their views need to be respected and take priority over men’s beliefs. End of.

Thankfully dd1 never got into this and after experiencing men’s grim behaviour dd2 at 15 is extremely pro women only spaces and said so in her pshe lesson. Every other girl and the teacher whole heartedly agreed with her. The younger generation coming up now seem to have seen through this thankfully

Some violent males are still being sent to low security women's prisons. Joanna Rowland Stuart, charged with murdering his husband, is currently in Downview prison (snd still being described as a "woman" in the press).

Good point. I think they are doing it on the technicality that he has been violent to a man rather than a woman. Or maybe he has a GRC, who knows?

Some violent males are still being sent to low security women's prisons. Joanna Rowland Stuart, charged with murdering his husband, is currently in Downview prison (snd still being described as a "woman" in the press).

www.brightonandhovenews.org/2024/07/24/brighton-woman-70-appears-before-court-charged-with-murdering-husband/

And I think the poster who mentions a male PE teacher raises valid points. Most people would agree that a male PE teacher shouldn’t be around girls when they are changing. But what changes if over the 6 week holidays that PE teacher comes out to his wife and family as identifying as a woman? Should he then be ok to be in with the girls? I can’t understand why anyone would say coming out as trans should alter things so much. Or should a male PE teacher come out as non binary but IDing as female be allowed? This is the real world practicalities, and no matter how squeaky clean he may be what differentiates him from the other lovely male PE teachers? It’s like the feelings of the girls and their discomfort is ignored.

The only ppl in FWR who have ever weaponised infertility by going “oh yes but what about women who can’t have children are they men eh eh?” are TRA

One of them told a cancer survivor here that she had a "blind canal" because she had had her uterus removed.

until i met my colleague "laura" i didnt really get it, but she transitioned at the age of 55 which was so hard and i just dont believe she would have done it if she wasn't desperate because in the 90s there was no understanding/public discourse around this so she had a torrid time.

Jan Morris transitioned in the 70s, and he turns out to have been just another typical middle-aged male heterosexual transitioner who treated his wife and daughter appallingly.

im infertile and no one here has ever made me feel I’m not a woman because of it. I’m infertile because my female biology has malfunctioned, that doesnt make me a man. The only ppl in FWR who have ever weaponised infertility by going “oh yes but what about women who can’t have children are they men eh eh?” are TRA

incidentally as so many TW are late transitioning Middle Aged men many of them in fact do have children because they fathered so I find it doubly offensive

Sorry, your colleague. But you seem to put this person's feelings over those of all the women you encounter so it's a bit more than that.

littlepinkstars- I’ve pulled this bit out of your post

” i do believe that gender is socially constructed (i mean gender here, not sex). I know that this will immediately cause conflict because lots of you dont agree with me.”

because I think may of us who post here do agree with that. I mean, that’s a fairly standard feminist concept, that gender IS a social construct (and one that has negative consequences for women) isn’t it?

So, whilst I think gender constructs are damaging, I can’t see how a social construction can be innate.