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Help me present evidence to my son

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AlbertaWildRose · 02/08/2024 00:17

My DS is 18 and heavy into the TWAW belief. He thinks JK Rowling is a despicable human being for her position and thinks that women should have no problem with all of this, and it's all just "scare-mongering" to say otherwise. Whenever I try to talk to him about this I end up getting too emotional to be rational. I really want to present him with evidence that this movement is not good for women - please help direct me to some good resources. Thank you.

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DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 13:28

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 13:15

That's not an example, is it?

Can you give one please? Just one will do.

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https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/07/03/jk-rowling-india-willoughby/

don’t pretend this isn’t anti trans hatred and a belief that trans women are not women

JK Rowling calls transgender former Loose Women host a 'fantasising male'

JK Rowling has called trans journalist India Willoughby a “fantasising male” in their latest online spat on X/Twitter.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/07/03/jk-rowling-india-willoughby

Grammarnut · 02/08/2024 13:26

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 02/08/2024 06:27

good question - no i don't believe that trans women who are jailed for sexual offences should be housed in low security prisons with women (but thankfully they arent! they have supervision orders, etc as pat of the risk assessments made when they are admitted) But yes, i actually don't have a problem with trans women in for non violent crimes being in women's prisons. i know that will be in opposition to a lot of people here.
I also dont have a massive issue with some refuges working with trans women, when there are also single sex refuges in the same area.

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You don't have an issue, I suspect, because it doesn't affect you as a TWAW.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 13:25

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 13:19

Can you read her X and the vile supporting comments promoting hate even violence in her X

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Do you know how to copy and paste links?

Grammarnut · 02/08/2024 13:25

AthenaWhite · 02/08/2024 06:27

Honestly, just don't talk about it unless the issue comes up. Don't avoid it either. My daughter is twaw, there really is no other position at that age. she is autistic and gay, the only lesbians she knows are males attracted to females, it's ridiculous. Luckily we have moved through the phase where she wants to mutilate her healthy body, hopefully.

@Littlepinkstarsbyradish it's really interesting reading your view point. You seem to understand male violence at the same time as you are arguing for a subset of men to have unfettered access to women and girls. Do you have evidence that men who claim to be women offend at a lower rate than all the other men? They don't by the way.

It's not so much Not All Men more Not My Nigel.

So sorry for your DD meeting only men who want to exploit her - I mean male 'lesbians'.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 13:24

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 13:17

Sorry but one just has to look at her vile misgendering and abusive comments on X and elsewhere about individuals she calls misogynistic and perverted as well as being fantasising men even trans women with gender reassignment surgery and years of having changed birth certificates and transitioning peacefully despite the pain and long journey to be themselves.

These comments are vile. Now it leads to a permissive hatred manifesting in hundreds of percentage points increase in violence and hate crimes but that is met with glee by many on here that is clear.

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Please give a specific example of one of these vile comments.

Whatever1964 · 02/08/2024 13:24

Lilysgoneshopping · 02/08/2024 13:03

You beat me to it . Would OPS son be happy to have a relationship with a trans woman?

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This line of questioning is GRIM. Women aren't defined by whether or not men would date or fuck them. There's a million better ways to argue for women's sex based rights and defend being GC without sinking to the lowest possible bar of being desired by a straight man.

MrsSkylerWhite · 02/08/2024 13:19

MoveToParis · Today 02:45
I would show contemptuous anger.
“What an embarrassment you are, pretending you think a man can be a woman on his own say so. No one believes it- not even you. All you’re doing is showing yourself up as an idiot to your friends, and relatives.”
”It’s so sad that you have to be reminded, but women are allowed to say No to men, even if those men feel sad or angry, and even if you feel anger at women saying no. The answer is No, so get back in your box, and STFU.”
”How dare you presume to lecture me with this complete nonsense. You educate yourself and don’t raise this topic again unless it’s to give the groveling apology you don’t yet realize you “

Bloody awful advice/approach.
Do you have an 18 year old son?

ApocalipstickNow · 02/08/2024 13:19

Show us link then.

like I say, someone’s offering lots of cash for proof so there’s incentive for you!

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 13:19

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 13:14

Specifics?

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Can you read her X and the vile supporting comments promoting hate even violence in her X

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 13:18

ApocalipstickNow · 02/08/2024 13:13

So no then.

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Don’t be so silly

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 13:17

AlbertaWildRose · 02/08/2024 12:27

I'm going to disagree with you on that.

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Sorry but one just has to look at her vile misgendering and abusive comments on X and elsewhere about individuals she calls misogynistic and perverted as well as being fantasising men even trans women with gender reassignment surgery and years of having changed birth certificates and transitioning peacefully despite the pain and long journey to be themselves.

These comments are vile. Now it leads to a permissive hatred manifesting in hundreds of percentage points increase in violence and hate crimes but that is met with glee by many on here that is clear.

ApocalipstickNow · 02/08/2024 13:16

There’s a million in it for you if you can!

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 13:15

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 13:10

Read her X it’s disgusting

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That's not an example, is it?

Can you give one please? Just one will do.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 13:15

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 13:10

Read her X it’s disgusting

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That's not an example, is it?

Can you give one please? Just one will do.

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Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 13:14

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 13:10

Read her X it’s disgusting

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Specifics?

ApocalipstickNow · 02/08/2024 13:13

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 13:10

Read her X it’s disgusting

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So no then.

Grammarnut · 02/08/2024 13:12

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 02/08/2024 05:53

She hadn't been banned from olympics, so in fairness to her she hasn't actually broken any rules. I do think the anger here needs to be redirected to the IOC rather than an individual

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'He' - he has XY chromosomes and is therefore a man. I agree the IOC is at fault here - the IOC has for many years been allowing male DSD sufferers who ID as women, to compete in female events e.g. Caster Semenya, the father of a child.

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 13:10

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 12:34

Can you give some specific examples please?

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Read her X it’s disgusting

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AlbertaWildRose · 02/08/2024 13:05

Lilysgoneshopping · 02/08/2024 13:03

You beat me to it . Would OPS son be happy to have a relationship with a trans woman?

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Interesting question!

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Lilysgoneshopping · 02/08/2024 13:03

SleepyHibernating · 02/08/2024 11:03

If TWAW is true then surely he is ok with his girlfriend / future partner being a TW? (Assuming he is straight).

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You beat me to it . Would OPS son be happy to have a relationship with a trans woman?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2024 12:57

What do your MTF friends think about the many women saying no to them, incidentally?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2024 12:55

You dont have to agree with me, but what actually is the point of this comment? we disagree.

Because I find you and other women like you extraordinarily naive about this subgroup of the male sex, and happy to throw other women and girls under the bus just because your male friends have convinced you they are women. They are not, and your view is the minority one, not mine.

You are happy for males to ignore the feelings of women and girls because it makes you feel better about yourself, as "inclusive".

I don't expect my Nigel to join us in the ladies, so I don't want anyone else's, thanks.

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 12:49

I'll try one more time.

Do you support women when we say we do not want biological men, however they present or identify, and regardless of what certificates they have, in our single sex spaces?

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 02/08/2024 12:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2024 12:27

cant spend time with my trans friends and see them as anything other than women though, its just how i've known them and honestly despite the messages here i do think we have common ground and i do think "womanhood" can include this very very tiny group. Im not really swayed on that bit.

I'm not swayed that you think your male friends should be exempted from having basic respect for women and girls.

i dont believe i've said that, and i wouldnt be friends with people who didnt respect women and girls.
You dont have to agree with me, but what actually is the point of this comment? we disagree. Ive been very open in this chat about ways that i've been challenged and i think ive generally engaged to know the issues better. So whats the point of this?

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