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Help me present evidence to my son

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AlbertaWildRose · 02/08/2024 00:17

My DS is 18 and heavy into the TWAW belief. He thinks JK Rowling is a despicable human being for her position and thinks that women should have no problem with all of this, and it's all just "scare-mongering" to say otherwise. Whenever I try to talk to him about this I end up getting too emotional to be rational. I really want to present him with evidence that this movement is not good for women - please help direct me to some good resources. Thank you.

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AllProperTeaIsTheft · 02/08/2024 16:12

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:06

Just let everyone who presents as female pee in peace in the ladies because they will die in the mens bathroom

So it's life-endangering for transwomen to go into a bathroom where there are men, but it's absolutely fine to let any man into the ladies' who's willing to claim he's a woman? Seriotsly, could you make it any clearer that you prioritise male-born people (i.e. men) over women?

cariadlet · 02/08/2024 16:12

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If some men are physically assaulted by other men, that is not an argument for allowing some men to enter women's spaces; it's an argument for tackling male violence and for the need for men to be more tolerant of other men who don't fit into rigid, outdated male stereotypes, including tolerance of men who call themselves transwomen.

PS apologies OP for contributing to the derailment of your thread but I did make 2 relevant and, hopefully, helpful posts at the beginning!

BackToLurk · 02/08/2024 16:10

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 15:51

They have given up reporting it

i know of two attacks in the last month in our small town

TWAW end of

You know of two attacks in the last week, which left 'your friends assaulted & bloodied' & you didn't support them to report it? At a time when, I'm sure you'll claim if you haven't already, that it's important to understand why TW need access to women's spaces. You don't sound much of a friend.

And I'm still unclear why some impotent males are safe in the toilets if all impotent males aren't

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:09

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:06

Just let everyone who presents as female pee in peace in the ladies because they will die in the mens bathroom

Why will they die in the men's bathroom?

Polarnight · 02/08/2024 16:07

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 02/08/2024 16:07

Get a big bushy false beard and tell him to call you Dad. And stop doing any washing/cooking/ cleaning for the household ( him) .

TMAM ! If he doesn’t agree he’s a fascist bigot who is denying your lived experience and your truth.

Yes!

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:07

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 02/08/2024 15:56

What is 'vile misgendering"?

Any

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 02/08/2024 16:07

Get a big bushy false beard and tell him to call you Dad. And stop doing any washing/cooking/ cleaning for the household ( him) .

TMAM ! If he doesn’t agree he’s a fascist bigot who is denying your lived experience and your truth.

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:06

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 15:56

HOW do we let trans women into women's spaces and keep men out of them if no one can tell the difference between a trans woman and a man??

Literally, HOW?

Please talk us through how you think this works.

Just let everyone who presents as female pee in peace in the ladies because they will die in the mens bathroom

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:05

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DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:03

lonelywater · 02/08/2024 15:54

"TWAW end of", Do you actually believe saying stuff makes it true? Are you completely bonkers?

Yes

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:01

Also, what's the difference between a transwoman and a man?

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:00

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 15:56

HOW do we let trans women into women's spaces and keep men out of them if no one can tell the difference between a trans woman and a man??

Literally, HOW?

Please talk us through how you think this works.

Yes I'm interested in the rational behind that also.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 02/08/2024 15:56

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 13:17

Sorry but one just has to look at her vile misgendering and abusive comments on X and elsewhere about individuals she calls misogynistic and perverted as well as being fantasising men even trans women with gender reassignment surgery and years of having changed birth certificates and transitioning peacefully despite the pain and long journey to be themselves.

These comments are vile. Now it leads to a permissive hatred manifesting in hundreds of percentage points increase in violence and hate crimes but that is met with glee by many on here that is clear.

What is 'vile misgendering"?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 15:56

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 15:54

No I don’t say any man just trans women just them

what I am saying is many are not spotted so that’s nice for them

HOW do we let trans women into women's spaces and keep men out of them if no one can tell the difference between a trans woman and a man??

Literally, HOW?

Please talk us through how you think this works.

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 15:55

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 15:10

Ok, there is fear and anger now on all sides but it need not be. A lot is engendered by anti trans ideologues not backing with actual evidence or very small statistical evidence.

I would hate to be in the ladies with men even cd TVs but trans women are women with or without a chemically castrated willy or with orchectomy. Most can’t get erections and don’t want them. Most are waiting 6-10 years for gender identity healthcare and have to live in the role for at least two years to be believed so how can they use the men’s loo where they will be attacked?

The statistics are 98/99% sexual and violent crimes are committed by biological men. Nobody is say all men are sexual predators but in the interests of keeping women and girls safe we ask that men do not enter our single sex spaces. The good and decent men do stay out. Therefore we need to question the motives of the men that don't.

If you accept a biological man can become a woman then that's your business. However, a lot of people don't and that's our business.

lonelywater · 02/08/2024 15:54

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 15:51

They have given up reporting it

i know of two attacks in the last month in our small town

TWAW end of

"TWAW end of", Do you actually believe saying stuff makes it true? Are you completely bonkers?

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 15:54

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 15:49

So. There's no way to tell the difference, so we must let any man into women's single sex spaces in case they are a real trans woman and their feelings are hurt. Have I got that right? Is that really what you believe?

No I don’t say any man just trans women just them

what I am saying is many are not spotted so that’s nice for them

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 15:54

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 15:51

They have given up reporting it

i know of two attacks in the last month in our small town

TWAW end of

Don't be ridiculous. There is a concerted effort to report any and every non crime thing that has caused them offence to the police as evidence of a non crime hate incident (a concept which needs to be abolished).

Saying TWAW doesn't make it true. If saying things made them true I would say I was a billionaire all day long.

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 15:52

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 15:51

Literally all I am asking you to do is link to JKR's tweets and explain why you think the tweets you have linked to are transphobic.

Apparently you are incapable of doing this.

Don't worry, nobody else is capable of doing it either.

There's a reason for that.

PS - I couldn't care less what is in your inbox.

I know you e seen them but don’t think they are transphobic and you don’t care be honest dear

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 15:51

lonelywater · 02/08/2024 15:14

yeah, barely week goes by without a report of a trans women being duffed up in the gents. p.s trans women are men. but you must know that?

They have given up reporting it

i know of two attacks in the last month in our small town

TWAW end of

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 15:51

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 15:49

People have PM’d me about you so I know you won’t ever drop it or be persuaded or satisfied you are an activist I’m not

Literally all I am asking you to do is link to JKR's tweets and explain why you think the tweets you have linked to are transphobic.

Apparently you are incapable of doing this.

Don't worry, nobody else is capable of doing it either.

There's a reason for that.

PS - I couldn't care less what is in your inbox.

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 15:49

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 15:32

The article from 5th March about India Willoughby, without the video which was the subject of the initial tweet, which you copied to me instead of an actual explanation of why you think her tweet from yesterday about the Algerian boxer is transphobic?

I don't know how much clearer I can make this, but I am not interested in links to articles other people have written.

I am only interested in links to JKR's actual tweets, and an explanation from YOU, using YOUR OWN WORDS, why YOU think the tweets YOU have linked to are transphobic.

India Willoughby cannot explain why YOU think what JKR posted yesterday about the Algerian boxer is transphobic, and certainly could not have done so on 5th March, which was almost five months ago.

People have PM’d me about you so I know you won’t ever drop it or be persuaded or satisfied you are an activist I’m not

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 15:49

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 15:48

I wish I could say. An ID card could be faked but really there are loads of beautiful mature long transitioned trans women you would be more than happy to be with in any space but it’s the ones starting out or ugly or more masc that look less appealing we worry about.

So. There's no way to tell the difference, so we must let any man into women's single sex spaces in case they are a real trans woman and their feelings are hurt. Have I got that right? Is that really what you believe?

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 15:48

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 15:34

And how can we tell whether someone is a trans woman or a man?

I wish I could say. An ID card could be faked but really there are loads of beautiful mature long transitioned trans women you would be more than happy to be with in any space but it’s the ones starting out or ugly or more masc that look less appealing we worry about.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 15:34

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 15:10

Ok, there is fear and anger now on all sides but it need not be. A lot is engendered by anti trans ideologues not backing with actual evidence or very small statistical evidence.

I would hate to be in the ladies with men even cd TVs but trans women are women with or without a chemically castrated willy or with orchectomy. Most can’t get erections and don’t want them. Most are waiting 6-10 years for gender identity healthcare and have to live in the role for at least two years to be believed so how can they use the men’s loo where they will be attacked?

And how can we tell whether someone is a trans woman or a man?

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