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AlbertaWildRose · 2024-08-01T23:17:21+00:00

My DS is 18 and heavy into the TWAW belief. He thinks JK Rowling is a despicable human being for her position and thinks that women should have no problem with all of this, and it's all just "scare-mongering" to say otherwise. Whenever I try to talk to him about this I end up getting too emotional to be rational. I really want to present him with evidence that this movement is not good for women - please help direct me to some good resources. Thank you.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:30

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:29

Really? Well she did report it to the police and they are saying they will investigate.
just because it doesn’t fit your beliefs means it’s not true?
that hurts me and makes me sad for my friend
please don’t reply to me again

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Excuse my scepticism but you haven't exactly proven yourself to be a reliable narrator on this thread.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:29

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:26

So TWAW but not always?

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It would be helpful if @DianaAntoniaJasmine could give some guidelines so we can work out when a TW is AW and when a TW is NAW.

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:29

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:24

I'll take "things that didn't happen" for ten.

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Really? Well she did report it to the police and they are saying they will investigate.
just because it doesn’t fit your beliefs means it’s not true?
that hurts me and makes me sad for my friend
please don’t reply to me again

lonelywater · 02/08/2024 16:28

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:25

Well a male rapist is not going to be a person particularly worthy of being called a woman.

I assume you mean after conviction because the police are reporting much higher levels of malicious rape claims.

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What do you mean "worthy"? I thought self id meant just that? Unless you are applying additional gatekeeping standards to determine who is "really" trans? (as opposed, say, to a random bloke saying he is a women)

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:27

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:25

Well a male rapist is not going to be a person particularly worthy of being called a woman.

I assume you mean after conviction because the police are reporting much higher levels of malicious rape claims.

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Well, by definition, if the victim is giving evidence in court he has not been convicted of anything yet.

Are you suggesting that we must believe a man is a woman if he says he is one until he rapes someone, but then it's OK to say he is a man?

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:27

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:23

😂😂😂 you're having us on now.

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Well yes.

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:26

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:25

Well a male rapist is not going to be a person particularly worthy of being called a woman.

I assume you mean after conviction because the police are reporting much higher levels of malicious rape claims.

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So TWAW but not always?

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:25

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:23

So not all misgendering is vile then?

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Well a male rapist is not going to be a person particularly worthy of being called a woman.

I assume you mean after conviction because the police are reporting much higher levels of malicious rape claims.

cariadlet · 02/08/2024 16:25

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:21

Bizarre argument
men attack men for being different
so do women
one of my trans women friends was beaten in the street by three young women just for being trans and they videoed the assault laughing

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That was awful behaviour and those women should be arrested and taken to court. Nobody should be assaulted for how they present themselves.

But:

Your friend is still a man so shouldn't be in women's single sex spaces.

Those women knew he was a man. They didn't attack him thinking he was a woman; they attacked him because he's a trans woman. So the awful attack undermines the whole TWAW argument.

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:24

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:23

So not all misgendering is vile then?

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Interesting!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:24

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:21

Bizarre argument
men attack men for being different
so do women
one of my trans women friends was beaten in the street by three young women just for being trans and they videoed the assault laughing

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I'll take "things that didn't happen" for ten.

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:23

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:21

Presumably we just need to believe harder that TWAW.

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😂😂😂 you're having us on now.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:23

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:21

No

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So not all misgendering is vile then?

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:23

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:20

What do you say to the many women who do not want biological men in their single sex spaces?

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Reappraise what you think of as the aspects of humanity which make other people a threat like angry women for example

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:21

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:17

So do you think a rape survivor should have to call her rapist "she" in court if he says he is a woman?

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No

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:21

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:20

What do you say to the many women who do not want biological men in their single sex spaces?

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Presumably we just need to believe harder that TWAW.

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:21

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 02/08/2024 16:12

So it's life-endangering for transwomen to go into a bathroom where there are men, but it's absolutely fine to let any man into the ladies' who's willing to claim he's a woman? Seriotsly, could you make it any clearer that you prioritise male-born people (i.e. men) over women?

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Bizarre argument
men attack men for being different
so do women
one of my trans women friends was beaten in the street by three young women just for being trans and they videoed the assault laughing

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:20

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:19

How did you get so twisted?

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What do you say to the many women who do not want biological men in their single sex spaces?

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:19

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 02/08/2024 16:12

So it's life-endangering for transwomen to go into a bathroom where there are men, but it's absolutely fine to let any man into the ladies' who's willing to claim he's a woman? Seriotsly, could you make it any clearer that you prioritise male-born people (i.e. men) over women?

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How did you get so twisted?

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:18

BackToLurk · 02/08/2024 16:10

You know of two attacks in the last week, which left 'your friends assaulted & bloodied' & you didn't support them to report it? At a time when, I'm sure you'll claim if you haven't already, that it's important to understand why TW need access to women's spaces. You don't sound much of a friend.

And I'm still unclear why some impotent males are safe in the toilets if all impotent males aren't

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Silly inaccuracies in your misunderstanding and misinformation are idiotic testaments to your ignorance

It was last month And how do you know I didn’t support them to report? You don’t. I did. One did. One didn’t.

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:18

I wonder if male violence is the reason they will die in the men's bathroom?

You know violence carried out by men.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:17

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:07

Any

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So do you think a rape survivor should have to call her rapist "she" in court if he says he is a woman?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:16

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:06

Just let everyone who presents as female pee in peace in the ladies because they will die in the mens bathroom

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If we can't tell whether they are trans women or men then neither can men.

Why would they die in men's toilets?

Has a trans woman ever been killed in a men's toilet in the UK?

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:16

lonelywater · 02/08/2024 16:14

didn't you realise there is a trans genocide going on? The complete absence of any reliable statistics to back that up is yet more proof positive of the cis-het conspiracy against trans people.

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Silly me. I'm away and educate myself 😟

lonelywater · 02/08/2024 16:14

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:09

Why will they die in the men's bathroom?

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didn't you realise there is a trans genocide going on? The complete absence of any reliable statistics to back that up is yet more proof positive of the cis-het conspiracy against trans people.