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Help me present evidence to my son

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AlbertaWildRose · 02/08/2024 00:17

My DS is 18 and heavy into the TWAW belief. He thinks JK Rowling is a despicable human being for her position and thinks that women should have no problem with all of this, and it's all just "scare-mongering" to say otherwise. Whenever I try to talk to him about this I end up getting too emotional to be rational. I really want to present him with evidence that this movement is not good for women - please help direct me to some good resources. Thank you.

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DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:47

BackToLurk · 02/08/2024 16:32

So when you say "They've given up reporting it" this is untrue. Some may have.

Still can't see the answer on the impotent men

Some do most don’t from what I personally hear anecdotally from individuals

I was attacked for not being a good friend supporting my friend reporting Assault to the police or even groups gathering data but I was also accused here of lying that it happened and ridiculed so why is it not reported??? Wow the ignorance

rpe and sxual assault are massively unreported too especially in relationships but does that make it wrong or a subject for mumsnet ridicule???

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:46

When they use their male penis to do bad male things?

PeppercornMill · 02/08/2024 16:46

Your son is full-on TWAW, then ask him if he would date a trans woman, and would he date a man with a beard that identified as a woman?

If he says No, then ask him if he is a genital fetishist and why he is trans-exclusionary.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:44

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:42

Work out? Like in Nazi Germany working out who was gay or socialist?

Your position appears to be that TWAW, except sometimes when they aren't.

So when are they? And when aren't they?

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:43

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 02/08/2024 16:32

What, in your view, constitutes "an anatomical female body"? Is this just the external, secondary sex organs, or are you including the internal organs, such as uterus, cervix, fallopian tubes, ovaries, and the complete clitoris? Are the external organs fully functioning, or are they simulations? What is "an endocrinological female system"? Is this one which requires the application or injection of female hormones to prevent it reverting to a male endocrinological system?

Don’t be silly it undermines you and demeans women and humanity for that matter

Nothingeverything · 02/08/2024 16:42

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:40

You didn’t say giving evidence

“So do you think a rape survivor should have to call her rapist "she" in court if he says he is a woman?”

the rest of your argument is idiotic just stop

no more from you you silly person

Idiotic? Why? This is a real life scenario.

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:42

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:29

It would be helpful if @DianaAntoniaJasmine could give some guidelines so we can work out when a TW is AW and when a TW is NAW.

Work out? Like in Nazi Germany working out who was gay or socialist?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:41

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:40

You didn’t say giving evidence

“So do you think a rape survivor should have to call her rapist "she" in court if he says he is a woman?”

the rest of your argument is idiotic just stop

no more from you you silly person

Why else would she be in court talking about her rapist?

Mmmnotsure · 02/08/2024 16:41

BackToLurk · 02/08/2024 16:36

Schrodinger's transwoman: obviously male on the streets, indistinguishable from other women in the ladies

@BackToLurk
Schrodinger's transwoman 😆

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:41

lonelywater · 02/08/2024 16:28

What do you mean "worthy"? I thought self id meant just that? Unless you are applying additional gatekeeping standards to determine who is "really" trans? (as opposed, say, to a random bloke saying he is a women)

Answered already re GRA revision by new government

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:40

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:27

Well, by definition, if the victim is giving evidence in court he has not been convicted of anything yet.

Are you suggesting that we must believe a man is a woman if he says he is one until he rapes someone, but then it's OK to say he is a man?

You didn’t say giving evidence

“So do you think a rape survivor should have to call her rapist "she" in court if he says he is a woman?”

the rest of your argument is idiotic just stop

no more from you you silly person

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:39

I think we can all agree violence is wrong and should be condemned. Society should (as much as it can) have measures in place to keep people safe from harm.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:38

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:37

Well yes it has to be genuine and it’s hard to tell sometimes as there are convincing TVs

So what are the criteria for being genuine?

Nothingeverything · 02/08/2024 16:38

She does not identify as a man.
Maybe not but you can't force others to identify along with you.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:38

BackToLurk · 02/08/2024 16:36

Schrodinger's transwoman: obviously male on the streets, indistinguishable from other women in the ladies

And very obvious in the men's, to the point where their lives are in danger.

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:37

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:26

So TWAW but not always?

Well yes it has to be genuine and it’s hard to tell sometimes as there are convincing TVs

Nothingeverything · 02/08/2024 16:36

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:33

It was in the street but she had used the ladies all night and is very far down the gender reassignment route

If your friend was attacked for being trans then that is real transphobia and I hope the police were called. Women saying that tw are male is not transphobia, just fact.

BackToLurk · 02/08/2024 16:36

cariadlet · 02/08/2024 16:25

That was awful behaviour and those women should be arrested and taken to court. Nobody should be assaulted for how they present themselves.

But:

Your friend is still a man so shouldn't be in women's single sex spaces.

Those women knew he was a man. They didn't attack him thinking he was a woman; they attacked him because he's a trans woman. So the awful attack undermines the whole TWAW argument.

Schrodinger's transwoman: obviously male on the streets, indistinguishable from other women in the ladies

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:36

cariadlet · 02/08/2024 16:25

That was awful behaviour and those women should be arrested and taken to court. Nobody should be assaulted for how they present themselves.

But:

Your friend is still a man so shouldn't be in women's single sex spaces.

Those women knew he was a man. They didn't attack him thinking he was a woman; they attacked him because he's a trans woman. So the awful attack undermines the whole TWAW argument.

She does not identify as a man.

they kept saying if she was a woman they would hit her back but because she’s a man she wouldn’t dare and they filmed her getting a beating

that should please the half dozen haters attacking me for supporting her in here today in dozens of messages

i only see hate violence and misogyny from these men women

BackToLurk · 02/08/2024 16:34

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:25

Well a male rapist is not going to be a person particularly worthy of being called a woman.

I assume you mean after conviction because the police are reporting much higher levels of malicious rape claims.

Ah the MRA 'malicious rape claims' allegation. Haven't seen that for a while

Alucard55 · 02/08/2024 16:34

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/08/2024 16:29

It would be helpful if @DianaAntoniaJasmine could give some guidelines so we can work out when a TW is AW and when a TW is NAW.

It certainly would I can't keep up.

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:33

cariadlet · 02/08/2024 16:25

That was awful behaviour and those women should be arrested and taken to court. Nobody should be assaulted for how they present themselves.

But:

Your friend is still a man so shouldn't be in women's single sex spaces.

Those women knew he was a man. They didn't attack him thinking he was a woman; they attacked him because he's a trans woman. So the awful attack undermines the whole TWAW argument.

It was in the street but she had used the ladies all night and is very far down the gender reassignment route

BackToLurk · 02/08/2024 16:32

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:18

Silly inaccuracies in your misunderstanding and misinformation are idiotic testaments to your ignorance

It was last month And how do you know I didn’t support them to report? You don’t. I did. One did. One didn’t.

So when you say "They've given up reporting it" this is untrue. Some may have.

Still can't see the answer on the impotent men

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 02/08/2024 16:32

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 14:09

Oh really, everything she says on her pet subject has a dog whistle or actual misgendering insult. She sponsored legal action to remove any legal value of transitioning, the ultimate goal of many trans women in the world is to get a grc. The added hatred makes her look a nutter to right minded people.

The FWS action in the Supreme Court could make a legal female with a grc and an anatomical female body and an endocrinological female system back into a male in law.

that is born of hatred

that is what her millions are trying to influence

that is the epitome of anti transgender

What, in your view, constitutes "an anatomical female body"? Is this just the external, secondary sex organs, or are you including the internal organs, such as uterus, cervix, fallopian tubes, ovaries, and the complete clitoris? Are the external organs fully functioning, or are they simulations? What is "an endocrinological female system"? Is this one which requires the application or injection of female hormones to prevent it reverting to a male endocrinological system?

DianaAntoniaJasmine · 02/08/2024 16:31

lonelywater · 02/08/2024 16:28

What do you mean "worthy"? I thought self id meant just that? Unless you are applying additional gatekeeping standards to determine who is "really" trans? (as opposed, say, to a random bloke saying he is a women)

Self identification is ok but not to the point of legal reassignment and the Scots Nats government came unstuck on that although many countries have that as law
the uk government will be looking at gender recognition again and yes there will be safeguards and medical experts involved which I think is right as do most genuine tw

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