UK media reporting on BBC ignoring risk of gender identity

No that's a clearly biased hit piece that fails to mention that khelifs own coach admitted that he has XY chromosomes and "abnormally high" testosterone (ie normal male levels) so I wouldn't trust anything else that article says

The reporting by ABC sheds mote light into this.

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/banned-governing-body-fueling-outcry-olympic-boxers-russian-112535354

Transphobic

Fascists.
Fascist pigs.
You just don't understand.
It's so unfair!

Etc.

Let the IOC decide.

Oh good.

That'll ensure that the integrity of women's sport is protected, won't it?

Whilst we are on the subject can someone tell Lewis Goodall that we are not right wing nutters. I love him but he is wrong on this and wrong on the gender debate altogether.

The problem is that the IOC doesn’t want to decide. They’re not interested in doing any kind of testing to check whether these boxers are actually female. They just think that if your passport says you’re female, then you’re female, which is pathetic.

And this is nothing to do with trans, so no one is being “transphobic”.

You missed the IOC tweet where they confirmed this case is not a transgender issue then?

I am tired. Let the IOC decide. Stop trial by media. In the meantime, if humans cannot have Sports Day without being transphobic or name-calling it should be cancelled, and everybody has to do normal lessons inside until we can be trusted to behave.

The BBC is just woeful on this issue. Really poor quality and heavily biased ‘journalism’ that never actually explains the issues in clear, factual terms and gives their audience enough factual information to make up their own minds. Just the obvious pushing of an ideological agenda…and on and on and on it goes.

BBC news online is the worst offender. Reads like a MRA intern has been let loose in the newsroom. Fucking dreadful.

I’ve complained many times, but only ever get a response that makes me want to bash my head against a wall - doesn’t address my concerns, is patronising…and nothing changes.

It’s a sad state of affairs.

At which point, well, here comes everybody. Here comes the startling ineptitude and tardiness of the IOC in addressing this issue. Here come stampeding online hordes, opportunist politicians looking for a piñata to thwack. Here comes a misunderstanding of the facts, pre-cooked argument looking for its nail which is always the same nail.

I have (tried) to read this three times. Even put it through my personal bs translator. Still haven't a clue what the last sentence means. Can vaguely guess the rest if put through a "they drank 3 bottles of wine before writing" translator but it fails for that sentence. Did the cat write it?

Indeed, Ova. As you say, its a shitshow.

It bears remembering that we only found out what DSD Semanya has via disclosure in a court case. The IOC were never going to tell us out of public interest and moral obligation to the truth.

They can only suggest it because medical records are private (with good reason). The IBA can't say exactly what tests they did or what they found other than in the broadest sense, without falling foul of releasing private medical information.

The IOC absolving themselves of responsibility (deliberately) for sex testing means they can twist, obfuscate and lie to the public.

It's a shit show of the highest order and it will come crashing down at some point.

I agree with the above but it does look as though the IBA may have been less than transparent and the IOC deliberately obfuscatory.
I for one am finding it hard to find any journalist able to state on good authority that the boxers have a DSD. (Which is what overwhelmingly appears to be the case.)

The job of journalists, Barney, is not to say, woe is me, there's a lot of confusion and obfuscation going on out there, the job to to cut through that bullshit to the facts and make them clear for your readers.

That Guardian piece is terribly written, quite apart from anything else.

No one knows if she, like Mboma, is what elite sport calls a DSD athlete, which means a person with a different, less linear personal biology, that may convey certain performance advantages.

So that's what a DSD means? Thanks for clarifying that for your readers, Barney! And then, you seem to dissolve completely into word salad at the end.

At which point, well, here comes everybody. Here comes the startling ineptitude and tardiness of the IOC in addressing this issue. Here come stampeding online hordes, opportunist politicians looking for a piñata to thwack. Here comes a misunderstanding of the facts, pre-cooked argument looking for its nail which is always the same nail.

A disingenuous piece in many ways but does at least make a plea for facts.

In a newspaper that has led the disinformation and got rid of journalists who wanted to write about reality and facts in this area.

ETA: if only the Guardian had retained Hadley, Suzanne et al. Or ever chosen to ask Helen Joyce to write for them.

It's more than a little interesting to the point of galling that there are so many posters constructing false polarities such as "‘they’re filthy male cheats" on a subforum where there have been many threads and posts explaining nuances of VSDs etc.

Bunbury is pondering on the difference between authentic or espoused desire for information and the Venn diagram of an enquiring mind to take it in.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/aug/02/boxing-imane-khelif-lin-yu-ting-facts-fairness-battering

A disingenuous piece in many ways but does at least make a plea for facts.

I keep seeing the "vagina" thing repeated on facebook - where has this idea come from?

The whole thing is confusing. You have various media outlets citing entirely different DSDs Imane is meant to have had confirmed by testing.

Then you have Imane and the other boxer saying the IBA refused to give them the results of the testing. If that's true it makes the IBA look very cavalier with regards to athlete welfare because various DSDs carry other health risks and the person has a right to know so they can get properly checked out.

Imane tested as female on the athlete bio passport. That tests not just for doping analogues that may not show in urine but also tests for gene doping. So that's also confusing. The bio passport should have picked up the DSD

The whole thing just get weirder and weirder so maybe the BBC are keeping their powder dry lest they end up with egg on their face.

It is beyond discouraging that women are patiently, repeatedly, explaining over and over again, and people are still popping up here having read none of it with a downloaded opinion from reddit.

Basically it's the whole issue in a nutshell. He who rules well marketed bollocks on social media rules the word.

The Reddit post is disinformation.

As has been explained, males with 5ARD may appear to be female at birth. The raising of a child with 5ARD to believe they are an XX female, and to put them in stereotypical girls’ clothing is hardly surprising.

However, at puberty, such people start to go through a male puberty and their bodies undergo virilisation as part of a normal puberty. It’s extremely unlikely that in any country with developed healthcare that medical attention would not be sought at this point, and the underlying DSD diagnosed.

This is terrible for those individuals, and they undoubtedly deserve compassion.

However, this compassion cannot be reasonably extended to permitting 5ARD males who, through no fault of their own, believe/d themselves to be female, to compete in contact sports (or indeed any sport) with women.

The idea that males with 5ARD have testosterone levels within the upper XX female range is fallacious. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/cen.13840

This isn’t hate. It’s anger at the wilful disregard for women’s safety.