I have never felt a punch like this’ – Carini

This individual was found to have XY chromosomes by the IBA - who did not exclude him from the women's section because of testosterone but because he was XY (which they later admitted). He's a man with a male DSD.

Anyone know what time the second cheating male is fighting today?

This emotional blackmail isn’t going to work anymore.

I think the IOC make the decision to stop the event to prevent the legacy of 2024 being tarnished where there has been some great competition. This may happen.

Other female competitors may boycott the event forcing the IOCs hand.

Broadcasters and crowds could boycott the event.

Sponsors of the Olympics will not be happy as this story grows and I think generally the IOS are having urgent talks while stonewalling for time.

One thing that may help and there is a degree of honour about this is that the male withdraws and let's the completion go on. I think though the Algerian has had too many of the wrong people around him urging victory for this to May be happen and I don't know if he fully realises the weight of public opinion.

If there can't be IOC

I think it is different to someone who chooses to become a female as this is a medical condition at birth.

Yes of course those two things are different.

I genuinely feel sorry for someone who is born with this condition

Yes, of course. So do I. That still doesn't make him female. Do you really think that ypur sympathy means that he should be allowed to compete in the wrong sex category and both endanger women and deprive them of the ability to compete fairly in a sport they've trained so hard in?

Do you go by chromosomes or genitals? Nobody seems able to answer.

In almost all circumstances, someone's genitals could be used to indicate which sex category they should compete in. But the existence of DSD means that's not enough. A vagina/penis is not a physical advantage in sport. Going through male puberty because you are male is!

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-real-science-of-sport-podcast/id1461719225?i=1000664105655

Went down a twitter hole earlier this morning and someone posted this podcast. Really good listening and describes the situation well.

What happens next?

With upcoming fights I mean, and other sportswomen, do they compete against Khelif?

Hollywood faux feminist movies and TV series that show skinny model thin women fighting and defeating larger male opponents with ease

Buffy The Vampire Slayer. Yes, she was meant to be supernaturally strong because of her Slayer powers, but it was so easy to forget that when watching her fight.

And of course, what did we later find out about the scriptwriter Joss Whedon...? AKA "a day ending in Y in showbiz", based on #metoo and the current Neil Gaiman thread.

Poor Ms Carini has not only highlighted the misogyny and frank hatred for women and their right to fair and safe sport but she has demonstrated a point that will bring home the reality of male violence to women and girls.
How many of those "be kind" young women have been brought up of a diet of Hollywood faux feminist movies and TV series that show skinny model thin women fighting and defeating larger male opponents with ease

This appalling Olympic gladiatorial travesty will stand in history for every woman and girl victim to male violence who has to justify herself to the prosecutor or jury why she didn't simply leave him, why she didn't fight back against her rapist and should be shown to every handmaiden who wants to let men in female spaces. It's horrible and appalling but if that is what happens to a highly trained Olympic level female athlete against a relatively light male then what chance do small girls, old women,normal fitness women stand against a 16 or 17 stone male ....

if I could I'd show that to every rape or female victim of male violence jury

And as for the men trying to support and justify this saying this is a woman or a poor woman with a DSD let's put them in a ring with an enraged male Chimpanzee and tell them to box that saying it's only a small chromosome difference

An AIBU thread on this shitshow has been trending two days running now. I assume the IOC hope it all just goes away.

If the alternative to being "awful" is allowing this outrage to go by without shouting about it, I am proudly #teamawful

But if you have been born with a vagina and raised as a girl and later find out you have XY chromosomes, what they?

Do you go by chromosomes or genitals? Nobody seems able to answer.

I don’t doubt that’s very hard. But life is very hard and sometimes we don’t get everything we want, particularly if one of those things is being male and competing in women’s sports. Although for some reason, these men do seem to be getting what they want. Perhaps that’s because, they are men.

I wondered about that!
Maybe edit your previous post? Or delete if you'd rather.

I would like to hear from her. I wonder if she'll give an official statement.

Yes. “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

The BBC is (apart from Justin Webb) is spreading misinformation and lies about this. They're very much expecting their listeners to deny the evidence of their eyes.

Honestly after hearing the rubbish and innaccurate reporting from the BBC I'm inclined not to believe them about anything else. Hilariously several times after lying about this boxing match fairly blatantly they had a segment on 'misinformation' being spread on social media. Erm, how about 'misinformation' being spread by the state broadcaster?

@MarkwithaC - I have looked and realised that the post that I commented on was from 2021 🤭. In my defence I am not a big user of IG and was prompted by teen DC. I did post a comment on that one though.

Do you think I should ask MN to remove my post?

It's because belief in an ideology which says we can't tell what sex anyone is requires followers to pretend not to know things which they have actually known since childhood, and scientists to pretend not to know things which have been known for decades or even centuries.

When your belief system is based on pure fiction and denial of facts, it's necessary to pretend not to know those facts.

Then start your own thread calling for boxing to be outlawed. Good luck, because a lot of people enjoy it and there's a lot of money in it.

In the mean time, I and others will fight to stop women who box from being endangered by being paired with males for fights. You could join us if you considered single-sex fights to be a transitional demand to reduce harm.

I can't see a current post from her on IG; is it possible to link to it?

"He isn't boxing using his penis."

We all know women don't have penises.

Neither does (s)he, apparently.

Nicola Adams is supporting Angela Carini:

https://x.com/NicolaAdamsOBE/status/1819270612646281642

I think Algeria needs to look at its societal and sporting attitudes towards women?

It's the imagery of a male muscled arm forcing a punch against a woman's face and breaking her nose through aggression that cannot sit in the sporting domain. Sorry just no.

The obvious physical difference between the two competitors really does obviate the need for nuanced debate. The imagery must be so sensitive to many women on this planet.

There is sympathy for the male competitors conditions and the complexities of his upbringing but that can in no way excuse a man punching a woman as sport. The gulf in physical strength will mean in sport like boxing a woman will not be able to put up an adequate guard and this will result in injury. At the end of the day boxing involved an element of aggression maybe missing from other sports so we have to consider that the male here is using this aggression in the arena. The athlete is perfectly aware of their chromosomes and developmental conviction yet still chooses to engage in a sport where hitting women hard is literally the goal.🤷

This is a young man, from a sexist society who saw him as an incomplete man, and dumped him in the not-male=female category.

I feel really sorry for him. It’s not easy or fair. But the rest of the world going along with this and pretending he is a woman or has the right to be treated as a woman is very unfair on women.

It’s not women who need to accommodate, it’s men who need to accommodate other men who don’t fit the mould.

He isn't boxing using his penis. We do know he is male.

Does taking that equality away from women hurt women? If yes, then taking it away is misogynist. And of course it does, we've seen that in the Olympics just now.

"Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who use to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with any more. It doesn't matter who the individual women are." -- Andrea Dworkin

Women who box are women.