Should there be a DSD category at the Paralympics?

So, youre happy to have a XX female facing an XY male in the boxing ring then. Gotcha. Your concept of fairness is miles away from mine.

What does this even mean?

Op the paralympics are categorised within the different sports how would you categories this sex difference you are talking about.

I hope you enjoy watching the funeral of a woman killed by an XY boxer in the ring, knowing that at least the XY's little girl dreams of Olympic Gold weren't crushed.

Your emotional blackmail is nauseating.

They wouldn't need to be outed to the world if they accepted the results of the testing. They could simply retire or give a myriad of other reasons without giving personal information.

Only those that have failed testing and yet still compete are discussed, as they should be, as fairness is what is of importance when it comes to elite sport.

Elite sport is not about being nice or kind.

Any loophole will be taken advantage of whether by athletes themselves, coaches or sporting bodies. Having a champion in your 'stable' brings kudos but also money through sponsorship, advertising etc.

So it's women's resources, yet again, being offered as a refuge to males who just can't make it in the male category?

It sounds brutal, I realise that, but how much more brutal is it for a female boxer to realise that tomorrow, she's facing a genetic male in an Olympic bout?

Boohoo im saaaaad, versus A&E.

No competition there, not for me.

True as all that may be, what relevance does it have to them competing in women's sports?

I'm usual circumstances no, and it's not what's between their legs that matters when it comes to the Olympics. As difficult as it is for all concerned, an XY person with DSD, so possibly presenting as female but with internal testes and all of the advantages of growing up male, matters in high level sport when you have categories defined by sex to ensure fair competition. Should women really be playing rugby or boxing against someone with male strength..? It's hard, but safety and fairness must prevail.

Sounds tough so tough.

There would be a lot less trauma if genetic testing was always required to compete in professional women's sport and other women's elite sport, and if any genetic males with a DSD that gives an advantage over women were automatically ruled out of the women's category. The initial genetic test is a simple cheek swab.

Knowing that there is no possibility of e.g. an elite women's win for a man would mean that males would be tested and detected much younger, and before they had built up a career in women's sport or got any publicity as "women". It's always going to be traumatic to learn you're not the sex you believed you were but better early than late and better to find out before you've started a sporting career or any publicity as the other sex.

And it would mean that men with DSDs would not be sought out by unscrupulous coaches to train as women and enter into women's events.

Oh

No I don't think it's a good idea to have people forced to declare what's between their legs.

A dear step daughter category??

Yes it's going to be huge shock and it's not necessarily their fault, (although I'm not sure if they can go through male puberty and not realise they've been assigned the wrong sex) - but they still can't compete against women in elite sport. They need to be angry with the doctors who didn't diagnose them correctly, not the women who do not want biological men competing against them.

Difference in Sexual Development. There are different forms but essentially external genitals deviate from the norm: they may be underdeveloped or look more like one sex than the other.

The issue in sport is that a person may have external genitals which don't correspond with their chromosomal sex. Specifically, recognised as female at birth but have the sex advantages which come from being male (muscle development, bone density, height, reach etc).

Allowing people with XY (male) DSDs to compete as female leaves women athletes at a major disadvantage. Not just performance but safety.

It also creates potential for abuse by unscrupulous coaches, sporting bodies etc. Pick a country where birth records may be sketchy, identify some athletes who look more female. Away you go, you have an opportunity to manufacture a winner. The athlete has all the advantages of their chromosomes plus a male pattern training programme.

The only group there would be a need for this would be a group of males who were, due to their DSD, not able to compete in a male field. Maybe something like CAIS, which is now a group that completes with females, but that could change with more research.

An open category would clearly not work for such people.

These kids are pretty much always identified early on in places like the UK, and raised as boys. So it really doesn't come up as an issue. If they get to the Olympics, it is because they are high level male atheletes.