Should there be a DSD category at the Paralympics?

I suggest you hide the thread.

No one here is threatening violence. I don't believe any person commenting here would be violent. I don't believe any of us would cause any harm. But we do want fairness for the female sex. And if that upsets a few people then sorry, it has to be that way. Women are being asked to give up so much for a few. That's definitely not fair.

Yeah, sorry but I'm with Newgreenduck.

If those with cais are as physically weak as you claim then the likelihood of them being competitive sports players is slim.

If there were 7 competitors with cais eliminated as stated in the study quoted, that implies that those with cais are NOT as weak and feeble as previously stated.

And, as I've repeatedly stated, there are several other dsd conditions that have put XY competitors into XX competitions. I've no idea why you refuse to engage and just cherry pick the cais affected indviduals, but it won't wash. You're being evasive and deliberately manipulative.

Size of the group does not matter.

Besides, if what you have argued is true, and there is no reliable test except that a person is XY chromatically and has no ovaries but is producing testosterone at a male level, but they don't process it, then there is a group of male athletes who fit that diagnosis.

You argued that the 7 athletes was a false statistic. If it is impossible to diagnose CAIS accurately, then surely it is likely that they will fit into a group with those other athletes and therefore, that 'group' should be excluded.

So, therefore we cycle around to there was 7 athletes in 1996 that tested for a DSD that closely resembled CAIS or was CAIS. Whether you believe it is tiny or not, the group should not be included if they are found to have an advantage.

The potential harm to a huge amount of women doesn't seem to concern you. I'm more interested in the huge number than a few.

And we are now in a situation where people who are 'legally female' can be male.

You can argue that it is a human rights abuse. However, taking all emotion out of your arguments, if an advantage is proven, it can be argued that impinges on female athletes human rights to have their opportunity of fair and safe competition.

Sorry, I just saw your post.

So you believe that at no stage, even if an advantage has been proven, that athletes with CAIS should be excluded from the female sports category?

Good to know. I disagree and I think you are relying a great deal on emotional reasoning to try to convince others on this thread.

A couple of days ago I would have said yes if the DSD actually amounted to a disability. Now, I would say no.

If you have a DSD which limits your athletic prowess that's just bad luck. We don't have special categories for asthmatics, or people with heart problems. It's neither practical nor justifiable for the tiny number of men involved.

What other groups of people should be allowed to compete in a protected category based on emotional response to being excluded due to having a proven physical advantage meaning they should not be competing in that category?

You're very emotional about it, I can see that. I'm glad they have your support.

Again, do you understand that there are other dsd conditions, beyond CAIS, and that those with them have already displaced females in female sports. Can you perhaps consider if your emotional connection to your clients/patients may be clouding your judgement regarding these?

So, if there is no specific test you can make and they are prone to injury as you have stated, even more reason to have a category that has specific parameters that fits their condition and provides them with protection.

What are the views expressed today?

That male athletes, even those with medical conditions, that are found to have physical advantages over female athletes should not compete in female sports categories? What other male athletes with conditions that they are fearful of being stigmatized for having should be allowed to compete in a protected group’s event if they don’t qualify for it?

I'm not sure why you find the sentence I constructed so hard to understand. Read it again.

Again, has the paper therefore been pulled for false information? Because the IOC used it to withdraw the need for sex testing. That would be egregious to allow it to remain as an available paper.

Either way, if it is found that in the future males with correctly diagnosed CAIS are found to have an advantage, do you agree that the female category should be protected?