Surprisingly clear news article from Australia re XY humans competing at Olympics in female sports

No, and don't subscribe to GII anyway.

Quick poll, do people here have a sense of personal identity and gender that is the same as their birth sex?

I'll go first - No therefore I cannot be cis

15 year old teenage girls often frequent the beach shirtless.

Especially on school trips.

Thanks for saving me digging out the photo, NotBad.

There's also a record of Semayana wearing the boys' uniform at school.

I thought the Olympics were not allowing this

Caster Semenya as a 15 year old teenager from his own autobiography. Because as we all know, 15 year old teenage girls often frequent the beach shirtless.

@NoBinturongsheremate that's a big statement- is there any clarity about that? I agree that by the time CS was adult they knew about their own condition but not as a child?

@NoBinturongsHereMate gosh that's quite a disinformation program I've been, well, disinformed by!

@Christinapple It's not sexist of the dictionary to record the definition of cisgender. It's sexist to assume that the vast majority of women are cisgender, i.e. (per the dictionary definition you have provided) have a sense of personal identity and gender that is the same as their birth sex.
Perhaps some women conform in their sense of themselves to what they have been taught is appropriate for their birth sex, but it's sexist to attempt to reify that further, and to assume all women do that.

They believe, because Semenya was raised as a girl, that she is on a level playing field with all other (female) people who had been raised as girls.

Wrong on 2 levels. Semenya was not raised as a girl.

The dictionaries are produced by institutions notorious for being captured by gender ideology. Such as universities - Oxford, Cambridge.

All the major dictionaries are "sexists"?

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/cisgender?q=cisgender

"cisgender
adjective
describing or connected with people whose sense of personal identity and gender is the same as their birth sex

• Many ask whether cisgender actors like Redmayne and Fanning should be playing trans characters.

All you're doing is trying to insert your sexist beliefs into the conversation, by using the language of sexists.

No, because in terms of this discussion, it's a binary. Men or women.

But if you say "women" on here or twitter you then have a dozen people with gender critical views replying to ask "what is a woman" or "how do we know they are women" or something similar.

So there are times when it is helpful to say cisgender to make it clear you aren't referring to transgender to avoid this.

I think what I didn't realise, ten or twenty years ago, is that articles about Semenya were being written by people who truly believe that the reason women's records (and sporting ability generally) are below men's is due to socialisation, lack of resourcing of female sports, self-sabotage, and not due to the differences between male and female people.
They believe, because Semenya was raised as a girl, that she is on a level playing field with all other (female) people who had been raised as girls.
It's bonkers, but I've seen enough coming out of the academy now to see it clearly.
(The frustration is that girls' and women's sport are often under-resourced, aren't respected, aren't encouraged - but changing that won't lead to a world where women's records are the same as men's in all sports).

Yes. This has been shown to be true.

Truth and accuracy are not something that poster considers important

Because if people assume they’re DSD then a debate ensues about medical conditions. Of course to me and to the fairness argument it doesn’t matter, neither should be in the women’s category, but for accuracy we shouldn’t refer to them as DSD athletes if they’re not.

Yes. It was a surprise to see someone use it without showing an understanding of the background.

Helleofabore · Today 10:57

Being able to have competed before is not a defence when the regulations change with the international federation.

It's akin to a guy getting stopped for drunk driving and complaining that he was allowed to, before they brought it blow-in-the-bag, so it's unfair to stop him now.

Why would that matter?

Yes, of course I know that, but we don’t know if they are DSD or trans.

Christnapple hates the thought of us pesky women knowing things. Our silly pink brains couldn't possibly understand complicated science stuff. Just be good girls, sit there looking pretty and accept that the men know better than you.

It's a classic 'appeal to authority' argument. Calling it utterly sycophantic and pathetic would be understating my disgust.

I wonder if they applied it across the board if it would affect sports like equestrian?