Is this a safe place to ask a question without being flamed?

Breaking Talk Guidelines as the message says. Ask MNHQ for further clarification if you want.

Why was my reply deleted?

"Do I feel threatened if there is a penis in the cubicle next to me when I have a wee? - no"

As a woman with many decades of life who HAS been attacked/threatened, MULTIPLE, MANY times by men, just as a dog kicked by a man many many times will be scared of men (and thusly the adoption centres will specifically stipulated no men FOR A REASON) - there is good reason for women (and animals) to be wary.

Good. Fucking. Reason.

Misogynistic LARPing as a protected characteristic. The mind boggles. How right Germaine Greer was. We have no idea how much men hate us ... though they find new ways to show us every day.

Anything other than just calling a man a man.

That poster has given up all pretence of not being a TRA. Latest bingo box ticked is dragging an example of a man with a DSD into the conversation and insisting that is the same as "trans". Standard forced teaming tactic.

Your earlier claims and arguments in this thread all fall down.

Sure, sure.

AIFL? Artificial Intelligence For Larpers?

sorry, got nothing

You are absolutely right - I do not have the right to consent for other women, nor would I want to and I do find it very complicated to think of someone I used to work with who had gender reassignment surgery in 1998. Should a she be allowed to use spaces reserved for women?

Absolutely not, for two simple reasons.

1. How would that be enforced? It's usually fairly easy to tell somebody dressed in stereotypically feminine manner is actually a man. To tell whether or not this man has undergone castration and penis inversion would require the very "genital inspections" nobody actually wants and yet transactivists never cease ranting about.

1. Requiring any such surgery in order for men to be admitted to women's spaces would constitute a massive human rights violation and surely would be thrown out by courts.

Someone from AIFL?

Your earlier claims and arguments in this thread all fall down

Where? I've literally not seen ANY of our "claims" or arguments "falling down." Or even serious attempts to counter them except by name-calling, hyperbole etc.

Care to show us this evidence of our "claims falling down?" Which claims precisely? Where's the counter argument?

Thanks, that's a helpful distinction.

I'd like to go back to a time when voyeurs and exhibitionists were treated as sex criminals and as people displaying behavior that carries a risk of escalation, without any reference to their costume choices.

As far as I know you always have the choice to chose not to be examined.

Can I just clarify?

Your response to a non consenting woman in need of medical care, having two smirking men who are health care providers in a position of responsibility, one of whom identifies as a woman, using her for their jollies and enjoying the power over her while she's in a state of undress to receive that care, is that she always had the option to give up her access to care and treatment?

What is the difference in the experience for a non consenting woman being asked to undress in front of a man who says he identifies as a woman and sincerely means it, and a man who says it but does not mean it?

Why should that woman's life be dictated by what may or may not be happening in a man's head?

And why should the price of a woman's access to any space or service be providing a man with his wanted experience of using her?

Please, explain to me how this can be ethical unless you have a deeply held believe that to be born female means you owe a life of service and subordination to people who are born male?

In which case it makes a bit of a nonsense of minding who identifies as what: your decisions are being predicated entirely on the reality of sex.

Ah well,at least you're trying.

The OP of this thread seemed to want to talk specifically about Body dysmorphic disorder aka dysmorphia. Dysmorphia is a recognised mental health condition (similar to anorexia) that manifests itself as dissatisfaction with some aspect of the body, including sex-specific characteristics - also including stuff like wanting healthy limbs amputated.

Gender dysphoria is all about feelings. It is also a mental health condition - again, like anorexia.

Both of them are best treated with talking therapies.

Some men who would include themselves under the trans umbrella are in neither category. Not sure about women.

The distinction between them is worth noting in that although all of us (I think) agree that legs, breasts, penises etc exist, many of us do not believe that gender exists.

So it's a question of taking your pick between a mental health condition centered around dislike of your physical body and a mental health condition centered around a wish to conform to a set of sex stereotypes.

And those men with different agendas.

How many women are assaulted by men presenting as men in women only spaces? vs men presenting as women?

How many women are assaulted by male left-handed philatelists? Should we let them in?

It's body dysphoria not dysmorphia, though they usually have that too.
What are your thoughts on self ID?

It's this one.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5127123-to-think-its-completely-and-utterly-unacceptable-for-men-to-compete-in-womens-sports
96%, yay.

This one (sorry, can't figure out links in the app)

How many women are assaulted by men presenting as men in women only spaces? vs men presenting as women?

The distinction is unnecessary.

All you need to ask is: how many women are assaulted by men?

We all know that answer to that.

That's why single sex spaces exist. That's why safeguarding exists.

Thats why all men need to stay out of women's single sex spaces. And trans women are men.

Which thread is that, Dollybird?

This was on the Olympics question thread https://reduxx.info/breaking-two-female-boxers-set-to-compete-at-paris-2024-were-previously-disqualified-from-womens-world-championship-for-having-xy-chromosomes

I would openly support a push for a gender neutral addition (not replacement), or for the male toilets to be reconfigured so the cubicles are gender neutral and come first, with a door to the male only urinal area.

Reconfiguring the men’s toilets is a brilliant suggestion, LittleLittleRex. It would take up no extra space, or very little if a couple of extra cubicles were added. It could protect disabled people from having their toilets taken over as gender-neutral.

This would be much better than mixed sex rows of individual cubicles containing washbasins. The queues are twice as long because you spend time washing your hands there instead of at communal basins. All the problems of mixed-sex spaces remain, eg threatening behaviour by men, a woman being pushed into a cubicle and assaulted (this has happened), men masturbating next door, etc.