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Let's ban "TERF" and "TRA"

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/07/2024 12:22

Both these acronyms are inaccurate.

It's not "TERF", it's "MERF". Feminism includes all female people including those who do not identify as female. It excludes all male people however they identify.

And it's not "TRA", it's "trans activist". None of the things they are demanding are rights. Trans people have all the same rights as everyone else, plus apparently a few more that no one else has.

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Catsmere · 27/07/2024 12:13

Or just MS, male supremacists, or LM, lying misogynists.

RueTroussevache · 27/07/2024 09:48

Could be TPA/MPA, the P representing privilège.

WickedSerious · 27/07/2024 09:12

Grammarnut · 26/07/2024 17:55

I spoke the truth. There is no nuance in this debate. Men cannot become women. Women cannot become men. Men - with or without GRCs or penises - have no place in women's single-sex spaces, sports, prizes etc.
Why is the truth doing my cause no favours? Please explain.

It seems reality is not to everyone's taste.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 27/07/2024 08:55

WaitingForMojo · 26/07/2024 08:45

You’re really not doing your cause any favours!

How so?

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Catsmere · 26/07/2024 22:32

We're saying No to men. Clearly unacceptable. Women are supposed to submit to men's lies and fantasies and sexual demands, not state what they are and reject them.

XChrome · 26/07/2024 18:10

WaitingForMojo · 26/07/2024 08:45

You’re really not doing your cause any favours!

I, too, would like to know what you mean by that.

Grammarnut · 26/07/2024 17:55

WaitingForMojo · 26/07/2024 08:45

You’re really not doing your cause any favours!

I spoke the truth. There is no nuance in this debate. Men cannot become women. Women cannot become men. Men - with or without GRCs or penises - have no place in women's single-sex spaces, sports, prizes etc.
Why is the truth doing my cause no favours? Please explain.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/07/2024 11:38

I'm on the D&I, and two years ago I had to inform everyone it would be nice if everyone put in their pronouns. Nobody did. I think my 'helpfully' sending the most wild list of pronouns ever to give them ideas worked beautifully.

Haha I like your style GrinWine

Cailin66 · 26/07/2024 11:25

Myalternate · 26/07/2024 10:13

🤔 Would anyone be reprimanded for wearing a Suffragette lanyard?

Most people don't realise what the colours mean, they just think it's nice colours. My Terf pin is small so people think it's just a coke pin. The odd time I notice someone does see the Terf, but I say nothing.

Yesterday I peaked two female colleagues, over the 3 men winning the women's event in the usa (gold, silver and bronze). I brought up the Olympics as a cover. From that we had a discussion on prostitutes, and I explained my laynard and terf badge. To my pleasant delight both women were solidly against men in women's sports. One was a bit +/- on toilets. And we had a long discussion on cat calls to young girls.

I'm on the D&I, and two years ago I had to inform everyone it would be nice if everyone put in their pronouns. Nobody did. I think my 'helpfully' sending the most wild list of pronouns ever to give them ideas worked beautifully.

Another time I peaked a few male and female colleagues with the fabulous photo of Isla in his pink leggings. (Thank you the Daily Mail)

MoonAndStarsAndSky · 26/07/2024 10:23

I don't think any language should be banned or regulated - that's one of the massive parts of this whole problem. Proud to be a terf.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/07/2024 10:23

Or rather, they could, but if they treated you differently and caused a detriment to you because of your protected belief, you may have a discrimination claim under the Equality Act.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/07/2024 10:20

If other political lanyards are allowed I don't see how they could be, if that was all that was complained about.

Myalternate · 26/07/2024 10:13

🤔 Would anyone be reprimanded for wearing a Suffragette lanyard?

Cailin66 · 26/07/2024 10:09

I don't want to get rid of the word TERF. Me I'm a proud TERF and I bring it to work every day on my TERF little coke badge attached to my suffragette laynard.

WaitingForMojo · 26/07/2024 08:45

Grammarnut · 25/07/2024 10:33

There is no inflammatory language on the Terf side (I love 'tired of explaining reality to fuckwits' - definitely what it means! Thanks@TheywontletmehavethenameIwant)
The abuse, foul language, physical assaults etc are all on the Trans Rights Activist's side. TRA to mean means this: misogynist men's rights activists.
And it's not a complicated issue. Men cannot become women and men have no place in women's private spaces, their sports, prizes, refuges, hospital wards etc. Simple.

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You’re really not doing your cause any favours!

Catsmere · 25/07/2024 21:39

@thebrollachan and @BezMills - brilliant! 😂

XChrome · 25/07/2024 20:02

BezMills · 25/07/2024 19:33

Confusing Ulterior Male Supremacist Tactics As Inclusive Niceness

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😆

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/07/2024 19:53
Grin
BezMills · 25/07/2024 19:35

Sorry not sorry. Rude acronyms are like catnip for me

BezMills · 25/07/2024 19:33

Confusing Ulterior Male Supremacist Tactics As Inclusive Niceness

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/07/2024 14:47

Curiously, this never happens with trans ideology. True believers and Be Kind adherents cannot tolerate any diversion from their catechism. Any diversity of thought is framed as an attack.

This.

thebrollachan · 25/07/2024 14:41

I just came across an acronym which is new to me: Woman Obliterating Radical Misogynist.

Justwrong68 · 25/07/2024 10:44

Can we get rid of gender too?

Grammarnut · 25/07/2024 10:33

WaitingForMojo · 24/07/2024 15:57

Yawn.

Clicked this thread thinking perhaps you were going to say ‘the inflammatory language is getting in the way of helpful discussion on this complicated issue, so let’s drop it on both sides’.

But no.

There is no inflammatory language on the Terf side (I love 'tired of explaining reality to fuckwits' - definitely what it means! Thanks@TheywontletmehavethenameIwant)
The abuse, foul language, physical assaults etc are all on the Trans Rights Activist's side. TRA to mean means this: misogynist men's rights activists.
And it's not a complicated issue. Men cannot become women and men have no place in women's private spaces, their sports, prizes, refuges, hospital wards etc. Simple.

JellySaurus · 25/07/2024 09:55

I often use the terms "alleged transwomen" or "purported transwomen" in discussions. I usually get flack for it, except among GC people.
I also call what some people refer to as God "the alleged deity."
God believers don't like that either. I use that language because I have no firm opinion on the existence of either trans people or of a deity. I consider both possible (because almost anything is possible) but unlikely. I only know it's something other people believe. We are expected to show respect for those beliefs, yet they don't have to be respectful of ours. I'm polite about it and that should be sufficient.

I am active in a variety of interfaith initiatives, so I interact with many religious people of various faiths. The vast majority would have no issue with your term 'alleged deity'. The few that would (off-hand I can think of one who is a born-again evangelical Christian, and one who is an Imam), would nonetheless debate with you in an interested and respectful manner.

Curiously, this never happens with trans ideology. True believers and Be Kind adherents cannot tolerate any diversion from their catechism. Any diversity of thought is framed as an attack.

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