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list nandy fucks up. again.

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lonelywater · 24/07/2024 01:47

just that. despite marginally promising signs of a recent return to planet earth she is now saying trans women (i.e. blokes) should compete against women in sport. Oh dear.

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StripeySuperNova · 24/07/2024 07:28

Labour were clear before the election that they thought it should be down to individual sporting bodies to decide rules around trans inclusion in the female category. Nandy is following this policy. The reality of this policy is that women have to spend their time, energy and money fighting individual sporting bodies that write inclusion policies that disadvantage women.

Listen to this interview with Lynne Pinches (she comes in at about the 30min mark) talking about her court case against her pool association. She lists all the ways in which men have an advantage in her sport - larger hands for bridging, longer reach, different hip configuration for leaning over the table, power, etc, etc. And she isn't even allowed to bring up any social advantages a man might have. It is just ridiculous that women have to fight this in order to have a fair chance at sport.

This is what Labour are promoting. They will not stand up for women and say women need fair sport and that means a female only category.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/07/2024 06:58

Thingybob · 24/07/2024 06:56

I don't think she is quite saying that trans women should compete with women, she is saying individual bodies should be making the decisions. She has come a long way from when she thought TWA(always)W and now acknowledges that biology matters.

Ms Nandy said she wanted decision-makers to feel supported to make fair choices on trans inclusion.

She added: “But I think most have come to the conclusion that, although they want to be as inclusive as possible, biology does matter when it comes to sport, and that it’s impossible to balance the requirement of fairness without ensuring that they take biology into account.

I mean, yes, her Overton window does appear to have shifted.

But we are still a long way from, "I cannot believe anyone ever thought that the personal, private, unverifiable feelings of a few self-selecting individuals were ever considered relevant to what sporting categories they should be allowed to compete in. Was there something in the water? Why were so many people taken in by this madness?"

Thingybob · 24/07/2024 06:56

I don't think she is quite saying that trans women should compete with women, she is saying individual bodies should be making the decisions. She has come a long way from when she thought TWA(always)W and now acknowledges that biology matters.

Ms Nandy said she wanted decision-makers to feel supported to make fair choices on trans inclusion.

She added: “But I think most have come to the conclusion that, although they want to be as inclusive as possible, biology does matter when it comes to sport, and that it’s impossible to balance the requirement of fairness without ensuring that they take biology into account.

Omlettes · 24/07/2024 06:27

Then I strongly suggest we all send her a link to this and ask her
Is this what you intend?
Hulking transgender athletes take gold, silver and bronze spots on female podium at Washington cycling championship

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13660579/transgender-athletes-female-Washinton-cycling-championship.html

SinnerBoy · 24/07/2024 02:35

List Nandy; well, she's certainly inclined towards the trans side...

lonelywater · 24/07/2024 02:00

RickyBobbysKFC · 24/07/2024 01:57

Source?

telegraph. sorry, cannot link to it right now.

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RickyBobbysKFC · 24/07/2024 01:57

Source?