Elon Musk makes bombshell claim about his transgender child

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What? His dad is a nightmare. He has 11 kids with various women and a god complex. It also sounds like Elon fucked him up. It's not the 50s - no need to respect your father just cos he donated some sperm.

Musk started this with his interview..his child has every right to put their side across.

Well we’ll have to agree to disagree on that. Respect works in both directions.

I think he should show his father some damn respect.

Wouldn’t you be, if Elon really has just made up a pack of stereotyping lies about him?

That was a pretty ignorant tweet by Musk tbf, all that a boy liking musicals at 4 means is that he likes musicals - they only thing that makes somebody gay is wanting a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex, presumably that wasn't evident at 4. Bet he thinks all ballet dancers are gay, too. It's comments like that that I refer to when I say I wish he would get off twitter; I love what his companies achieve but I do think he can be a complete cock. And if the kid's been nagging him to dress 'fabulous' for this long, no wonder he feels ignored!

Nonetheless, this sounds like a very angry boy who's trying to attack his daddy cos he didn't get enough attention - and having shared custody with a father who worked long hours (as well as 4 brothers all vying for that attention) maybe he didn't. But as all his brothers seem happy to maintain their relationships with their father even as their sibling publicly denounces him, it does look a lot like a tantrum. And it's women (of course) who now have to suffer having this male invade their spaces.

Adult as in ‘over 18’ but not adult as in a reproductively mature mammal.

I feel for the women and girls around him.

So many are cheering him along and encouraging his sexist and misogynistic attitude just because they don't like his father.

A very angry young man

Xavier sounds a real treat.

Ouch
I feel for them. Elon should have kept his trap shut about their business.

Musk's 'daughter' responds on Threads.

Yes.

I think shame is a powerful motivation in terms of not admitting you've fucked up this bad.

One thing I don't think Musk has is this sense of shame.

He's shamelessly self centered after all.

But this does put his into this weird position where he doesn't care about how it affects how others perceive him. That's possibly related to being autistic tbh.

He's not trying to mask to fit in. He doesn't need to. He's not trying to impress anyone. Again he doesn't need to nor does he want to.

It does almost give him a freedom to just come out and admit he was wrong. Largely because it's relatively free of consequences for him.

Even to the point that he can trash his relationship with his son, cos he's got plenty more in reserve to live up to his expectations.

I have to say I get the sense that he almost has zillions of kids to ensure he gets the heir he desires and by having so many kids competing for his approval he pit them against each other in a way to bring out something of a ruthless streak. It's almost like breeding many horses until you get your champion. The rest can become glue for all you care. Plus he gets the benefit of the God complex by passing on his DNA to hundreds of descendants. (I note that if he's seeking to have a Genghis Khan type genetic legacy, that perhaps he didn't necessarily have even a few years ago, then having one of your children screw up that plan by sterilising themselves would cut particularly deep as an emotional wound).

This article in the Times today:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/b3a1c144-116a-4cc1-b725-466c7be6e82e?shareToken=b0daaf03266908faf713922b54324e6e

Are they an adult though if they haven't gone through puberty?

Worth remembering that the reason for the absence of data about this cruel medical experimentation on children has been the wilful behaviour of trans activists who deemed research, evidence and data as "transphobic" and the shameful capitulation of a trans captured NHS who stood by uncaring. Spectacularly exposed by the adult trans medical centres who arrogantly refused to hand over data to Cass (no doubt aware of how condemning it will be) and who literally had to be compelled to hand it over.

Of course, no professional consequences for any of these activists masquerading as "medics" .

I think he’s the only parent I’ve heard of who is admitting they regret what they did regarding their child (in this area). When we think of the lengths some parents have gone to to try and change the world for their child or reassure themselves they absolutely made the right call I think the fact he is openly saying this is a good thing.

I know this doesn't answer the specific 80% question, but a link to this was posted on another thread recently and could be relevant to the larger question.

Some up to date research data from Germany (period 2013- 2022):

The nationwide billing data of the Associations of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians in Germany pursuant to Section 295 of the German Social Code (SGB, Sozialgesetzbuch) V were analyzed by the Central Research Institute of Ambulatory Health Care in Germany:

Excerpt from discussion section following results (confirmed F64 diagnosis after five years and diagnosis persistence was below 50% in all age groups (range 27.3% [15–19-year-old females] to 49.7% [20–24-year-old males]).

The diagnostic persistence over the 5-year follow-up period of less than 50% in all age groups is in line with the literature and presumably reflects the fluidity of the concept of gender identity in childhood and adolescence (5); however, it could also be interpreted as a an indication of the need for a comprehensive, standardized diagnostic procedure (www.cass.independent-review.uk/publications/final-report).
The strengths of our study are the complete collection of outpatient billing data from all persons with statutory health insurance as well as the long observation period. The sensitivity analyses confirm the robustness of trends in F64 diagnoses; even when the M1Q criterion is applied, prevalence is probably underestimated due to the lack of data from psychiatric outpatient clinics. A limitation is a minor ambiguity in the information on gender (in 2022 among approx. 0.3% of the insured persons: “unknown“/”undetermined”/”diverse”). In addition, it was not possible to verify the clinical validity of the coded diagnoses; for this reason, the broad diagnostic category F64/F66 was analyzed.
There is a need for further research into what causes the low diagnostic persistence and the observed increase in prevalence. In the meantime, diagnostic stability and the high prevalence of concomitant mental disorders should be taken into account in the recommendations on the initiation of gender reassignment treatment in adolescence.

www.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/239563

Ffs I’ve said my position is that we need more evidence because the current evidence we do have is weak. I’m not sure how you are interpreting that as me defending anything. But whatever, I’m not engaging with you anymore because you are being needlessly antagonistic and it’s not worth the effort.

If you're not justifying it, I'm not sure why you are choosing to keep defending it despite not providing any further evidence. You have the information in your own link that shows all the studies were flawed and even the lowest rate of 63% provided is a figure that isn't based on confirmed desistance. We both agree more research is absolutely needed. It's not helpful at all to keep parroting statistics we know are inaccurate and based on flawed data when you can be factual and say this has a huge lack of research and we need reliable data of desistance.

I’m not justifying anything. I was trying to be helpful by providing a link to how the 80% figure has come about. You’ve made a reasonable point that you are concerned that using an 80% figure is misleading and it’s fair enough to raise that point but actually even if you take the lower percentage of 60% the argument remains that we shouldn’t be give children drugs with significant side effects when at least 60% will desist if left alone. And if the current evidence is weak on the desistance rate we need to do more research before we start up with the puberty blockers again.

To be fair, I asked another poster and you decided to provide a link which doesn't provide the information requested hence why I said you've decided to name the 80% as an average because you were providing that off your own back and you are justifying repeating a figure of 80% despite not having any reliable evidence to back that up. I wouldn't agree at all that the link you provided clearly backs it up either. That's not an accusation.

Erm what’s with the accusations, I’ve not decided anything. You asked for a link re where the data has come from and I provided one. Transgender Trend is a reputable organisation and they are very clear on what the figure of 80% is based on.

I understand and acknowledge that the evidence is poor which is why my position is that before we start experimenting on children again with drugs with known harmful side-effect we should do some more research on the desistance rate.

Perhaps over the next 10 years they can do a large scale study on how many children who turn up at gender clinics grow out of the belief that they are the opposite sex by the time they have fully matured (c age 25). Or perhaps they can collect and analyse all the data that Hillary Cass was refused access to when she did her review. Also we should study the likely social contagion aspect of “gender” transition.

There are plenty of ways that we can improve our understanding of transgenderism especially in the cohort of 11-16 year old females before we start back down the route of “treating” them with harmful hormones.

I think Musk should keep his mouth shut about his 20 year old offspring. It must be awful to have a parent spouting off about you for political gain. He was also slagging 'her' off as a communist recently, wasn't he?

And yet you're happily deciding your own average rate of desistance and linking me studies where the highest figure is from a clinician who did advocate taking toys away from children in order to cure them of dysphoria and who also believed in preventative treatment homosexuality..forgive me if I still maintain you have no proper evidence to be repeating a resistance figure of 80% as fact when none of the studies you linked showed that figure and all of them are of very poor quality.