Elon Musk makes bombshell claim about his transgender child

What people post on social media is often different to what happens behind closed doors.
It's all speculation but his general pronatalist/pre implantation screening approach suggests to me he sees children as extensions of his aims, rather than as people themselves. It would be very easy for the relationship to break down with that kind of outlook

Not in the least.

How can someone have capacity if they aren’t a fully mature adult?

I follow his twitter as I follow his companies. He posts reasonably regularly about his family. He posts pictures of himself and his eldest at events. He posted pictures of himself at the graduation. He sometimes posts photos of them elsewhere. He posts videos of himself with a couple of his youngest boys and they're crawling all over him, playing with his face, poking to get his attention, engaging in what is obviously some sort of 'bit' that they do and continuing what appear to be conversations they'd had previously, off-screen. In one case, the kid is clearly used to him putting them to bed. None of which comes across as children who barely know the man. And they are very young so it seems extremely unlikely they could have been taught to behave like this. Are you suggesting he is faking all of this?!

Now of course, it is not at all uncommon for men to have a very different relationship with their 'second set' of children, he was certainly extremely busy when the first lot were young so he maybe did spend less time with them. It is nonetheless noteworthy that they still choose to maintain their relationships with him when their sibling has apparently been so horribly abused that he has felt the need to publicly denounce him. I think I'd be pretty angry if my father behaved so badly that I needed to not only cut him off but also publicly humiliate him, and my brother carried on going out for dinner with him as if nothing had happened.

It was the trans kid who brought up the 'daddy was never there' line. Weird that he decided it was relevant but you don't?

S1lver seems quite protective of Musk for some reason

Where have I argued on anyone's behalf?

On this thread I have stuck to established facts about them, rather than making supposition about their intentions.

You don't know these people at all either, @PlanetJanette , yet you continue to argue on their behalf.

Such a weird amount of supposition about family relationships none of us can really know about.

I've no idea what Musk was like as a father.

I do know that the sort of father that claims his child was definitely gay because of random stereotypes, and broadcasts the (seemingly false) claim that their child is 'slightly autistic' is not indicative of a very good father.

The notion that his child has been expressing a trans identity for many years, including into adulthood, simply out of anger at her father is utter nonsense - total cod psychology by people who don't know this woman at all.

None of your post demonstrates causation.

The choice to move on to cross-sex hormones, and any corresponding consequences for fertility, is made by someone who is medically competent.

Puberty blockers do not cause infertility. It is simply a lie to claim they do.

Adult as in possessing the legal capacity to make decisions about their own future.

I've always been impressed by the scope of his ambitions, but I'd hate to work for him. He seems capricious and petulant, and I think his money (and owning twitter) gives him a vastly inflated sense of whether his every brain fart needs to be squeezed out on the net.
He's not Space Karen, he's not Tony Stark, he's Nerd Trump.

Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily take the claim that those things didn't happen seriously.

I've met a lot of people who basically don't remember vast swathes of their childhood. Especially people who are autistic. And it wouldn't be the first time I've known of teens/young adults claiming to the parents that something did or did not happen that was factually untrue, where the young person seemed to have really believed it was.

So it's very much a maybe to me. I don't really see Musk as a likely great liar.

While I think Elon Musk is not the most polite or grounded man on earth (ha, literally, given his space exploits), I don't think he's generally a liar who fabricates things he doesn't believe.

What I do get from Vivian/Xavier's tweets is a (typically teenage) desire to argue back to dad no matter what. The argument seems to be that they couldn't possibly have enjoyed musicals and theatre, picked out jackets, or said "fabulous", because they were 4. Well, maybe they don't remember what being 4 is like, but any of us who have had a 4 year old surely know that none of that is outlandish. My DC at 4 hadn't been to any live musicals or full length plays, but did enjoy seeing clips or bits on TV from musicals and stagey stuff. And I definitely had clothes "picked out" for me in the morning with funny comments like that! I have no idea if Vivian/Xav did the same, but I'd trust their dad's recollection over their own teenage denial.

Sad that the Musks are angrily washing dirty laundry - but I think for the greater good that Elon has spoken out.

😁Dunno, he seems happy enough to spread it around, can't see why she can't have a bit! That was in the Depp trial, can't for the life of me remember why on earth it was relevant but apparently Musk and Heard visited a clinic when they were a couple and then when they split up he took her to court to have the 'product' destroyed. And then a fatherless baby appeared...

I'm not saying he's wrong. And I'm not saying he's right. But you have school systems hiding gender transitions from parents.

It is rumoured Amber Heard stole his sperm in order to have his baby via surrogate, though I don't believe that's ever been confirmed.

Blimey. He'll think twice about leaving it lying around again.

A main finding of the Cass report, and significant information released by the Tavistock before it's closure about puberty blockers is this:

There is no evidence whatsoever that puberty blockers are "reversible". The reason for this is because virtually no patient put on puberty blockers has actually come off them. 99% of patients put on puberty blockers go on to cross sex hormones, and many onto surgeries.
That is a pathway to infertility and loss of sexual function (aka arousal/orgasm etc).

Elon musk's son has clearly followed the medical pathway. They won't have sexual function.

6 of them are under 5, 3 of whom who have appeared in public with him, 2 of whom (the boys) seem to have a very affectionate relationship with him. They certainly didn't seem to be treating him like some absent father. The eldest is now at university but is regularly seen with his dad at both business and recreational events. The next 3 have just graduated high school and he attended their graduation. He is seen with them all occasionally. It is rumoured Amber Heard stole his sperm in order to have his baby via surrogate, though I don't believe that's ever been confirmed.

(I hate that I know so much about him, I'm really not a superfan!!)

I was referring to the boy's determination to change gender, ostracise his father and then publicly denounce him. His behaviour seems to stem from anger and resentment at his father not giving him enough attention rather than a real belief he is actually a girl. I don't blame him for responding to what was (I believe) a pretty ignorant tweet, whether true or otherwise. I am on the fence about whether Musk should've brought it up in the interview; on the one hand, airing his dirty laundry like this is hardly going to help matters. On the other, he did appear to go to extreme lengths to repair the relationship back when it fractured and he clearly failed so he may have now come to terms with the fact he has truly lost his son and genuinely wanted to publicise what the reality is like for parents of those 'encouraged' to transition. I do know a lot of people going through this are very grateful for his voice.

I thought, he sounds like a chip off the old block tbh.

Respect is earned. If Musk is publically lying about his own child for self-serving reasons and was never there for the child, he has not earned respect.

That was great. I'm GC, but in favor of an asshole like Musk getting savaged for his lies.

How on earth would you know? 5 or 6 of them appear to be under 5 years old

Why are you defending him so much?

Yet the other 10 appear to have no issue with him.

I'd forgotten all about his ridiculous children's names. https://pagesix.com/article/elon-musk-children/

There was quite a lot of speculation that Amber Heards daughter was his, too