"Violence against women a ‘national emergency’ in England and Wales"

“Not to mention an inability to say no to men, and a fundamental unconscious but accepted belief in this country that men are of value and women are not.”

Absolutely this ….. because it is predominantly women (mothers) fighting schools defending the violent actions of their sons. And before anyone has a go that I’m victim blaming …… I’m not ….Im stating a fact. I’m saying the inability to say no to men is so deeply ingrained.

For this to be solved, we need an exponential increase in child psychologists
& qualified behavioral therapist (not a willing TA who is just an alternative punch bag) in every cluster of school and mandatory referral of boys who hit teachers with intensive therapy for parents and child. Participantion should be mandatory back up by enforcement action.

Not to mention an inability to say no to men, and a fundamental unconscious but accepted belief in this country that men are of value and women are not.

To the point of women's equality and access, safety and dignity, consent and right to not be used as a male resource, is actually being questioned, because it involves limits on the freedoms, self expression and sexual expression of men.

To the point that it has become clear that women's rights and spaces were only ever seen as a gesture of good will to women, on loan, and women should now graciously accept men redirecting these (and those women) to serve the purposes of other men.

This entitlement, without it being accepted to see women as subhuman, without this enabling of violent behaviour and unequal standards of expectations, is part and parcel of the manure that this 'national emergency' has grown in.

But I suspect addressing it at its roots will be dodged.

And I have to agree - the chaos in a lot of schools is not unrelated. It's not all down to porn. We aren't teaching or expecting children to self-regulate. About anything really.

These men do not appear thin air. They are children first. These 4 and 5 year old boys who come in to reception with no parenting and no boundaries and parents who will continually blame the school for their child’s appalling behaviours. These boys start hitting teachers (almost always female) and parents defend them - they are only 4/5 they don’t know what they are doing? They are just babies etc and fight against any consequences. At 7/8, they are hitting staff regularly and the excuses multiply - they are neurodiverse, they are anxious, they were triggered etc so it’s your (female teachers fault) they hit you. These boys literally are “taught” this “lesson” - when you hit a female, it’s their fault for not meeting your need. And we wonder how we end up with hordes of men who think it’s ok to hit a woman when they perceive their needs aren’t being met. It starts with parenting and ends with parents accepting responsibility for their boys action and not defending their actions and blaming the women (female teachers) around them

I don't think this is surprising. Alcohol has been implicated in DV, and in assaults generally, for ages.

Drugs seem to becoming more and more prevalent in society. In the library world where I work it's now normative to have sharps containers in public washrooms, and no, it's not really to accommodate diabetes. The number of people shooting up in our facility, in a small town, is unbelievable. Needles are all over parks and wooded areas.

It's kind of inevitable that this would lead to DV situations, for all kinds of reasons. I don't expect it to be tackled though, in my experience people working with addicts are still largely in the grip of "harm reduction".

Yes but never forget NAMALT #sarcasm

It's shocking but unsurprising to me given how little effort has been put in by the last government. In fact I think the "war on woke" made it considerably worse.

I'm looking forward to seeing the details of the VAWG strategy but really to be effective some kind of control of the Internet is required. Violent degrading porn is causing a lot of the imo, by giving young men unrealistic views of violence against women.

I presume that means 1 in 10 men??

Goos spot - I missed that one. Yes, 2.3 million is about 5% of the total adult population. So it's 1 in 10 men, not 1 in 20.

This is SO disturbing... and when it says:
The report estimated that one in 20 adults - or 2.3 million people - were perpetrators of violence against women and girls every year

I presume that means 1 in 10 men??

Guessing the proportion of women committing these crimes is tiny - perhaps 5% of them, or less? Anyone know??

And yes, they need to start calling it Male Violence Against Women and Children...

1 in 12 each year. And 1 in 20 men committing an offence each year. So the total.numbers will be considerably higher.

Similarly with the 3000 recorded crimes per day. The report acknowledges it's probably twice that because of under-reporting. But at least in the article it's not also mentioned that some of those crimes (stalking, harrassment) by definition require multiple incidents to occur before it counts as a crime. And many police officers do their best to avoid accepting and recording reports.

I'm talking about primary schools and in particular cases where children are addicted to porn and acting out what they're viewing online.

As I said in my original post, sexual assault is rarely reported. We have absolutely no idea how many rapes and sexual assaults there are a year.

The yougov poll from yesterday disagrees with the DM comments

"Is anyone surprised about it when people are defending this arse hole and saying he shouldn't have been sacked"

Most of the BTL comments, and all the top voted ones, on that Daily Mail article are from people disgusted by his behaviour. There are one or two dismissing the story as snowflakery but one is from a deleted account and the others all have received firm and sensible rebuttal from other readers as far as I can see.

Sexual assaults have always happened in schools but they've rarely been acknowledged, far less named as such in the past.

An earlier distressing thread about children who are raped or sexually assaulted in school:

In the first incident, a staff member saw the children in the corner of the playground – but then proceeded to tell the girl off.

“She was told off for having her knickers and her tights down around by her knees with one of these boys behind her,” Anna said.

On a second occasion, another member of staff saw one of the boys with his head up her skirt. The assistant told off the girl for letting the boy stick his head up her skirt, and the boys were just told to “run away”. The girl was not talked to separately, asked what had happened or whether she was OK.

https://www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/our-kids-were-raped-classmates-dfe-wont-listen

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3364173-Our-kids-were-raped-by-classmates-DfE-wont-listen

NB: I've no difficulty believing that there's been an increase because of the ambient permissiveness and lack of action in response to the 'awareness'.

Yes that is really disturbing.

Also, this is relevant:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxw2983yppzo

'The prospect of long-term inmates being freed early appals Mrs McDonald, who is backing concerns voiced by Victim Support Scotland.
"If this proposal goes ahead, we're opening up the floodgates," she said.
"The minute I heard 'early release of long term prisoners' it just filled me full of fear.

Adding in this:

Pilots find high levels of drug use in domestic abuse offenders
Drug testing highlights cocaine as exacerbating factor in domestic abuse incidents
A number of police forces have been drug testing individuals arrested for domestic abuse offences as part of a pilot to establish perpetrator profiles and offender rehabilitation opportunities to protect victims.
Anecdotally, the use of cocaine and alcohol have been highlighted as exacerbating factors in domestic abuse offences, and the results from pilots in seven police forces have demonstrated significant evidence to support this. In one area, nearly 85 per cent (127/150) of domestic abuse offenders arrested and drug tested, were positive for cocaine and/or opiates and overall across the pilot forces, 59 per cent of those tested were positive for cocaine and/or opiates.
Mark Lay is the National Police Chiefs’ Council Drugs Coordinator Lead. He said:
“Violent behaviours are clinically associated with cocaine use so while the results of the pilots are not particularly surprising, the high percentage of offenders testing positive was more than we had anticipated.
“We know there are many reasons behind domestic abuse offending, and drug use, while not a causal factor, can make it more extreme or frequent. These pilots help us to develop a more detailed picture of perpetrators to safeguard victims and potential victims, while making sure we signpost offenders to the most appropriate treatment programmes.
“The results also show how shockingly widespread the use of cocaine is in many communities which could indicate the need for legislative change in regards to mandatory drug testing on arrest for a much wider array of offences.”
Assistant Commissioner Louisa Rolfe is National Police Chiefs’ Council Lead for Domestic Abuse. She said:
“It wouldn’t be right to say that drug use turns anyone into an abuser, but we do know it can make existing offenders behave in a more extreme and aggressive manner.
“This evidence around the links between drug use and domestic abuse offending can help us to better manage perpetrators and protect victims, building on our work around perpetrator profiles. It also enables us to identify opportunities for drug treatment services in perpetrator programmes which could help prevent reoffending.”
Farah Nazeer is Chief Executive of Women’s Aid. She said:
“Domestic abuse is driven by the perpetrator’s desire for power and control, as well as by the inequality between men and women, and it is important to remember that drugs, including cocaine, do not cause domestic abuse.
“However, as demonstrated by this study, there is a link between domestic abuse and drug use, which can make pre-existing violence and abuse more severe. This study highlights that we need to understand how other forms of harm, such as drugs, interlink with domestic abuse - and how this can help improve protection and support for survivors.”

https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/police-pilots-find-high-levels-of-drug-use-in-domestic-abuse-offenders

The silent 'M' in the acronym needs to be named, I'm afraid.

'Online influencers like Andrew Tate are radicalising boys into extreme misogyny in a way that is "quite terrifying", police are warning.
Senior police officer Maggie Blyth said young men and boys could be radicalised in the same way that terrorists draw in followers.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po

The police are a huge part of the problem.

VAWG has been an acknowledged public health crisis for some time.

However, because it's endemic, it's ceased to be a crisis and just an horrendous normal for so many women and girls. It's so normalised that far too many women internalise and support it.

ETA: I'm going to admit this. Given the Guardian's stance, did anybody else have a moment when they wondered about the definition of women and girls?

Is anyone surprised about it when people are defending this arse hole and saying he shouldn't have been sacked

Police sergeant is sacked after wolfwhistling members of the public https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13660449/Police-ambassador-violence-against-women-nicknamed-Sausage-Fingers-sacked-wolfwhistling-bragging-sex-life.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

Domestic abuse has always been endemic and sexual abuse is still vastly unreported. However what's really disturbing in this report is how the offenders are increasingly children. I've also heard disturbing statistics about sexual assault in primary schools.

"Offences committed by children increased to 55.6% of the total. The average age of victims is 13, with suspects averaging 15 years old".

Christ. Shocking.

It's not just down to the internet. It's the inability to say No to our children. No to permissive parenting, no to unlimited inappropriate online content.

The unfettered internet has created a dystopia. Action needs to be taken, now.