"Violence against women a ‘national emergency’ in England and Wales"

Thank you. An archive link for the above to take you past the paywall

https://archive.ph/ymUxn

I'm not holding my breath. Tate, imo, is just a symptom.

"Extreme misogyny to be treated as terrorism" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/17/extreme-misogyny-treated-as-terrorism-government/

Then there's this

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/aug/17/appalling-conviction-rate-for-over-100-sexual-offences-at-leeds-and-reading-festivals

Thank you?

Here's a link that should bypass the paywall

https://archive.ph/9oGYM

These are 'civilised' countries, apparently.

Sniffs thread...Still fairly fresh

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/male-violence-does-not-take-place-in-a-vacuum/

If you have problems reading try opening the link in incognito.

Perhaps policing is on a spectrum! 😳

And yet we "don't have two tier policing". I would suggest that we actually have multi-tier policing.

The below article explains exactly why we have the problems we do with mvawg theu haven't even expelled him

Shock as primary school boy threatens to stab and rape a girl https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13722483/Primary-school-boy-threatens-stab-rape-girl.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

Joan Smith has written about VAWG and the riots in Unherd and made a different comparison

https://unherd.com/us/newsroom/why-are-rioters-being-punished-more-harshly-than-some-rapists/

I doubt we'll ever see Starmer staring down the lens of a camera and telling rapists and wife-beaters 'we're coming for you'. Because, well because it would be so untrue it would be laughable. As a gesture it would be nice though. Night courts, yes! Extra prison cells, super! Ever gonna happen? Not a chance.

The problem is men themselves don't care.

This issue came up on Newsnight. I told DP it was important and he should watch the news story. He engaged with it for two minutes and then went back to watching his phone.

Minutes later he was getting all angry with Trump.

But not getting angry about violence toward women and girls. Or the Dutch athlete who raped a 12 year old and his life carries on.

We have two DDs, aged 12 and 15.

I tell him to get angry and he says why gave a go at him??

Nothing personal @Midnightalready but I posted the full fact studies upthread that by and large used EU-wide data regarding immigration from outside Europe and its lack of impact on VAWG, but Eastern Standard dismissed them because they were “EU only” which is fair. We really should be looking at the U.K.

So if EU studies are irrelevant when they don’t show an increase in VAWG due to immigration, then, to be consistent, other studies outside the U.K. which do show an increase in VAWG due to immigration must also be excluded as irrelevant.

That is why the focus moved onto what UK data we do have.

Sorry, but we are taking about VAWG in the U.K., not Sweden.
British culture is not Swedish culture.
Offending patterns are not the same.

If you can find evidence that is for the U.K., I would be interested to see it as everything posted so far on the thread shows that British men are more violent than immigrant men.

It is quite possible for British men to be more violent than immigrant men and the men of other European countries too. The data is incomplete and Swedish men or men of other European countries can’t really be used as proxies for British men.

There's plenty of proof in Europe. Check out this study in Sweden: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8330751/ (The three academics who did the study were later prosecuted for publishing it.)

Germany: "Figures released by the Federal Criminal Police Office of Germany (BKA) in 2022 revealed that a total of 677 gang rapes were recorded in 2021, up from 300 in 2018. Although non-German citizens comprise just 13.7 per cent of the country’s total population, they were suspects in exactly half of those cases.
Nationals from Turkey, Afghanistan, and Syria were the most commonly represented among alleged sexual offenders, according to the government, which cited figures from the Federal Statistical Office of Germany.
A separate report from the BKA earlier that same year also indicated that from 2009 to 2020 the proportion of non-German suspects in group sexual assault cases grew from 29.55 per cent to 41.18 per cent, while recorded cases of sexual assault jumped from 35 per cent to 50 per cent."

There's also evidence of disproportionate migrant involvement in sexual assaults in other European countries. A lot of inconvenient truth for left wing feminism. Ignoring the impact of immigration on women and girls is no different to ignoring the impact of trans activism on women and girls. Time to stop the gaslighting.

In short, blaming immigrants and Islam as causes of unacceptable VAWG in the U.K. is scapegoating the other.

There is something in our own British culture & society that has created a centuries long permissive environment where men feel they can abuse women and girls with impunity.

VAWG isn’t in the U.K. because we’ve been influenced by others, it’s always been here and we cannot fix it without looking at our own mainstream society and culture.

It's really starting to look that way, isn't it? God knows what can be done though.

Going back to the CSEW and looking at Domestic Violence report ending March 2023 (latest release) we see

1. Domestic violence against women and girls has steadily decreased since 2008 (don’t have time to go further back), from 11% to 7% reporting anonymously having experienced DV, but it’s enough to say there is no new crisis/epidemic of DV in the U.K.

2. Ethnicity isn’t a very good proxy for religion, but you’d think if Islam made DV more common, then you would expect a higher % of the majority Muslim ethnicities to be anonymously reporting DV than you would a % of the white ethnicity who tend to not be Muslim as often. But you don’t. You see the opposite of what you’d expect with mixed and white ethnicities suffering the highest % of population experiencing DV.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/domesticabusevictimcharacteristicsenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2023?trk=public_post_comment-text

• I did not call you a racist, I said some of your views are xenophobic
• No, those are not my views, at least not in the way that you think. Everyone is affected by socialisation everywhere, but the way we are affected isn’t always to conform blindly. Different societies are different ways often due to top down coercion and pressure. Most people that leave those countries (immigrate here) often do so specifically because they disagree with those societies treatment of women and want better for their wives and daughters. So it is, my view that most of the immigrants come here do not want to recreate what they were fleeing from in the first place. That is my opinion as to why there is no proof of immigrants being more criminal or violent towards women & girls than British.

Ok, well this supports the earlier studies I have posted showing that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes in the U.K. than British people.

As Arabella posted
”'There were 10,435 (3,578 remand, 6,486 sentenced and 371 non-criminal) foreign nationals held in custody on 30 June 2024; representing 12% of the total prison population.”

Immigrants are 12% of the prison population but are 23% of the general population, or 15.6m out of 67m (see below), this means that British are almost twice as likely to commit a crime that carries a prison sentence.

”In the year ending June 2021, the non-UK-born population was an estimated 9.6 million and the non-British population was an estimated 6.0 million”= 15.6m

“The UK population at mid-year 2021 was estimated to be 67.0 million”

She discusses all the things we know exist in these societies from state sanctioned child marriage (which is not taboo); "honour"-based violence and murder; women being forced to marry their rapists; not being allowed to even ride a bike because of the risk of "losing your virginity" because a girl's virginity is her primary value.

Oh yes, you can find all this and more in many white American Christian “societies” too. Girls married off at 11,12,13,14 to their father’s same age friend, as child marriage is legal in many states with parental permission (coercion). “Shotgun” weddings also being forced to marry your rapist, which only didn’t happen if you managed to keep the rape a secret and did not fall pregnant from the rape. Women/girls running away and being dragged back and murdered as an example to other women/girls. Similar beliefs around riding bikes, & using tampons.

Some of “these” societies are not as foreign as you might think.

Victoria Smith has another excellent article in the Critic

https://thecritic.co.uk/how-can-we-talk-about-male-violence-now/

I wasn't sure if this might go better in the terrorism thread.

Exactly well said and there are many similarities in argument and the posters defending both