Page 9 | Wtf Meghan Murphy

CassieMaddox · 2024-07-22T12:42:35+00:00

A feminist I used to really admire, deciding pussy grabbing, porn loving, convicted felon Trump and his misogynistic, fickle, anti abortion, running mate Vance are the best choice for American women. [[https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763 https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763]] ^Feminists/'feminist' men keep insisting to me that @JDVance1 is a misogynist who wants to 'take away women's rights' yet Trump/Vance are the only choice if we wish to restore women's sex-based rights in America (never mind the fact that Vance is anti-p*rn). I am not a fan of letting the government have any say over what women do with their bodies, but 'abortion rights' have for decades been used as a pawn in political games, and women keep letting themselves be played.^ ^Voting Democrat solely because they'll let you have an abortion while they allow all the rest of our sex-based rights to be destroyed seems unwise to me. Women need to take their bodily autonomy into their own hands imo — this means we need to learn about and educate other women about their bodies and reproductive system, so we aren't relying on the government to dole out hormonal birth control (which is HORRIBLE for us) and dictate our reproductive choices. It's far from an ideal situation, but I resent being told I must vote for a party that can't even define the word 'woman' because they'll allow women to have abortions. That gives me the icks and should give you the icks as well.^ ^I don't believe we should be handing over our power to governments, and the more we understand about our own bodies, the power of food/herbal medicine, the less we need to rely on the state or the medical establishment to allow us bodily autonomy and pretend to be invested in our health and wellbeing.^ ^I do think we should fight against anyone/any laws that tell us what we may or may not do with our bodies, but the Democrats are not the party of body sovereignty either, so I'm not sure why women give them that credit.^ I'm not sure what's going on with her but this is a huge shock. Very glad I'm not in the States right now.

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CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 20:50

cupcaske123 · 22/07/2024 20:47

Then they're obviously making an informed choice about their own bodies, if they're all savvy about the different types of contraception and the possible side effects.

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Yes. I think most women are,which is why I was surprised by MMs rant. Maybe she doesn't know that many women who need hormonal contraception?

There is another conversation about why the implicit way of treating so many womens problems is to give us hormones, but I think that's more to do with the patriarchy in medicine than politicians/big pharma.

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cupcaske123 · 22/07/2024 20:47

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 20:43

Nah. I know a lot of "young women". The doctors seem more keen on long acting contraceptives like implant, which I think is a nightmare.

They all seem quite savvy about the different types and also motivated by other "benefits" such as better skin and fewer periods.

I don't think the doctors are "putting them on the pill" at all.

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Then they're obviously making an informed choice about their own bodies, if they're all savvy about the different types of contraception and the possible side effects.

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CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 20:47

AReasonablePerson · 22/07/2024 17:43

By the way, if I haven't said it, I appreciate the conversation and thank you. Sometimes that doesn't come across well.

Thank you too!
I was reflecting on it and maybe was a bit too blunt. I am terrified by the actions of some of the "ultra GC" crew - the "have more babies", most women want to stay at home, abortion rights are a fair trade for "sex based rights", contraception is harmful so women shouldn't use it etc.

It feels to me like misogynists knowing what a woman is and using that to screw us over. I'm very worried about it as I don't take women's rights for granted at all.

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CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 20:43

cupcaske123 · 22/07/2024 20:40

I'm wondering if the issue is that young women when first choosing a contraception don't get informed of all the choices available and just get out on the pill.

Nah. I know a lot of "young women". The doctors seem more keen on long acting contraceptives like implant, which I think is a nightmare.

They all seem quite savvy about the different types and also motivated by other "benefits" such as better skin and fewer periods.

I don't think the doctors are "putting them on the pill" at all.

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cupcaske123 · 22/07/2024 20:40

I'm wondering if the issue is that young women when first choosing a contraception don't get informed of all the choices available and just get out on the pill.

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CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 20:35

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2024 20:21

Don't vote for him then.

Or go and tell Meghan how bad she is.

This constant sniping behind the walls where people cant respond. It is pathetic.

Every fucking day another thread dissing another woman. For having opinions you don't like. So fucking feminist of you, gold standard.

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I'm pretty sure MM can post on here if she wants.

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Alwaystired94 · 22/07/2024 20:33

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2024 20:21

Don't vote for him then.

Or go and tell Meghan how bad she is.

This constant sniping behind the walls where people cant respond. It is pathetic.

Every fucking day another thread dissing another woman. For having opinions you don't like. So fucking feminist of you, gold standard.

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you don’t know who i am and who i speak to, what makes you think i don’t direct my comments to these people?

bold of you to sarcastically say ‘so feminist of you’ when i’m arguing against ‘feminists’ handing over women’s right to their body away.

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2024 20:21

Alwaystired94 · 22/07/2024 20:17

i’m not dissing women who have a voice. i have an issue with people offering up womens right to body autonomy and to choose for next to nothing.

Trump has proven time and time again he’s out for himself so as soon as he doesn’t care to carry on doing x he will stop.

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Don't vote for him then.

Or go and tell Meghan how bad she is.

This constant sniping behind the walls where people cant respond. It is pathetic.

Every fucking day another thread dissing another woman. For having opinions you don't like. So fucking feminist of you, gold standard.

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CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 20:19

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/07/2024 19:38

Plenty of people voted for Bill Clinton; who was by all accounts a serial womaniser, who then went on to deny his activities -smearing said women in the process. We live in an age where the private lives of politcians are public knowledege - and manipulated ruthlessly by their enemies.

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Trump sexually assaulted Jean Carroll. That isn't "womanising"

He's an arse. Let's not excuse it because other men are also arses. Especially not on a feminist board.

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Alwaystired94 · 22/07/2024 20:17

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2024 20:15

He is the least worst option for many people. I don't vote in the USA elections so I dont have that choice to make.

If the USA are offering more of what the Democrats have delivered (wrecking womens and girls rights), and a known quantity in Trump is their other option, they are within their rights to make that choice.

They don't have to make sure you are OK with it. What exactly is the point of all this dissing of women who have a voice. Is it jealousy? It really is fucking bizarre.

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i’m not dissing women who have a voice. i have an issue with people offering up womens right to body autonomy and to choose for next to nothing.

Trump has proven time and time again he’s out for himself so as soon as he doesn’t care to carry on doing x he will stop.

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2024 20:15

Alwaystired94 · 22/07/2024 18:41

he’s the least worst option in your opinion, not for all. that’s the point isn’t it?

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He is the least worst option for many people. I don't vote in the USA elections so I dont have that choice to make.

If the USA are offering more of what the Democrats have delivered (wrecking womens and girls rights), and a known quantity in Trump is their other option, they are within their rights to make that choice.

They don't have to make sure you are OK with it. What exactly is the point of all this dissing of women who have a voice. Is it jealousy? It really is fucking bizarre.

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CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 20:14

Alltheprettyseahorses · 22/07/2024 19:49

I mean - really? In stating the fact (obviously a very uncomfortable one for you) that abortion rights were lost under a Democrat president in any way insinuate that I 'hate the left'? Not that the Democrat party resembles what we in the UK understand to be the left. Or did you quote the wrong person? I sometimes think certain posters have a whole argument inside their own heads which bears no relation to what others actually say. But it is definitely worth pointing out that the Democrats, in all the years they were in power, never bothered to protect women's rights to safe abortion access.

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I follow the news.
Yes it happened under a Democrat government but was a direct result of Trump and his influence on the supreme Court. The American Court system is much more politicised than ours.

I think tbh the Democrats were asleep at the wheel assuming those rights wouldn't be taken away. Heard similar from right wing voters here too in the run up to the GE- I think the US were naive and I think we are too. And the "single issue" approach dominating feminism at the moment is allowing all manner of harm to women to sneak in through the back door.

Anyway, suggest you go and do some very brief reading into it before posting stuff that's not entirely correct as fact.

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CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 20:07

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/07/2024 20:01

Firstly, what do you personally mean by 'women's rights', and secondly Is that statement not just a bit hyperbolic? After all - women are not a hive mind, and clearly many women are going to be voting for him. He has daughters, and one of them ( Ivanka) was his prominent campaign manager, whose judgement he seemed to trust.

There is so much hysteria around Trump - it can be difficult to get any realistic persepctive.

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Ha. No she isn't being hyperbolic. Stormy Daniels and Jean Carroll both showed him to be a sexually entitled abusive man and Stormy Daniels in particular ridiculed him in a way he must be very embarrassed about.

FWIW I don't think he hates women because of those events. I think those events happened because he hates women. I mean, what kind of man pays $150,000 for sex with a porn star when his wife has just given birth.

He'll set the tone from the top; his misogyny will percolate through everything. I'm extremely pleased not to be an American woman at the moment.

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Shortshriftandlethal · 22/07/2024 20:01

Omlettes · 22/07/2024 19:55

Yet despite that, on this topic she is right, not just in America but the impact globally.It will embolden other countries.
Better to turn the situation by court cases under the Dems, and thats happening slowly and surely.
If anyone thinks Trump can be trusted or wont wreck vengeance on womens rights hasnt been observing him or his character.
He has been bested by two women in court, he hates us.

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Firstly, what do you personally mean by 'women's rights', and secondly Is that statement not just a bit hyperbolic? After all - women are not a hive mind, and clearly many women are going to be voting for him. He has daughters, and one of them ( Ivanka) was his prominent campaign manager, whose judgement he seemed to trust.

There is so much hysteria around Trump - it can be difficult to get any realistic persepctive.

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Yet despite that, on this topic she is right, not just in America but the impact globally.It will embolden other countries.
Better to turn the situation by court cases under the Dems, and thats happening slowly and surely.
If anyone thinks Trump can be trusted or wont wreck vengeance on womens rights hasnt been observing him or his character.
He has been bested by two women in court, he hates us.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 22/07/2024 19:49

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 18:42

Under a supreme Court that trump/GOP stuffed full of anti-abortion judges.

It really is something to make put this was a Biden thing, just cos you hate "the left".

This was a trump thing. The man is horrific.

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I mean - really? In stating the fact (obviously a very uncomfortable one for you) that abortion rights were lost under a Democrat president in any way insinuate that I 'hate the left'? Not that the Democrat party resembles what we in the UK understand to be the left. Or did you quote the wrong person? I sometimes think certain posters have a whole argument inside their own heads which bears no relation to what others actually say. But it is definitely worth pointing out that the Democrats, in all the years they were in power, never bothered to protect women's rights to safe abortion access.

Omlettes · 22/07/2024 19:42

Grammarnut · 22/07/2024 17:37

Meghan Murphy (Feminist Current, based in Canada, strong advocate for women's sex-segregated spaces, sports etc. Canada is TWAW Central at the moment - I think only NZ is worse - and Vancouver council removed funding from Vancouver Rape Crisis Centre because they refused to employ a TiM as a counsellor some years back, it's also where a Women's Library was trashed by TRAs and eventually had to shut down). Murphy has a point here. Biden reversed Trump's removal of trans rights from Title IX, allowing gender to trump (sorry!) sex including in what the US calls 'public bathrooms'. The Democrats have fully drunk the Kool-Aid, and are with the Lia Thomas's and the TRA allies.
Glad I don't have to vote for either, but Trump's platform looks fairly similar to Democrat platforms in the 90s, according to Spiked! online - which I find curious. At the very least he is not going to extend TWAW, but the Democrats most likely will. (Abortion is a state matter, not Federal.)

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I have heard many reports that Canada is on the turn, and its very likely Trudeau will head the way of Nicola Sturgeon.
The next election is October next year.

Fingers crossed he is kicked out and the next government will deal with it.

As an amusing aside re Trudeau, do you remember all the scandals around his parents?
It always amazed me they voted him in because the Trudeau family scandals was Canadas claim to fame for many years. He was an anomly among leaders at the time seen as a superficial playboy and a security risk.
The DM mentions a few of them here.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13623909/justin-trudeau-mick-jagger-mother-margaret-rolling-stones-canada.html

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/07/2024 19:39

GrumpyPanda · 22/07/2024 19:35

Not the same situation at all. While the Tories may have been shit on so many levels they've never been a threat to democracy itself. And unfortunately that's what is at stake in America right now - not as a matter of hyperbole, but as a matter of fact.

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Can you explain why you think democracy itself is at stake? Do you think that the results of any election will be manipulated?

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/07/2024 19:38

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 17:36

Hmmm. I don't think its as simple as two competing priorities.
She's turned into a single issue activist, up to her of course. There would be nothing that could induce me to vote for a misogynist criminal sex abuser however, before you even get onto the damage a Trump president would do to women globally.

I really can not understand her logic at all.

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Plenty of people voted for Bill Clinton; who was by all accounts a serial womaniser, who then went on to deny his activities -smearing said women in the process. We live in an age where the private lives of politcians are public knowledege - and manipulated ruthlessly by their enemies.

NoWordForFluffy · 22/07/2024 19:37

GrumpyPanda · 22/07/2024 19:35

Not the same situation at all. While the Tories may have been shit on so many levels they've never been a threat to democracy itself. And unfortunately that's what is at stake in America right now - not as a matter of hyperbole, but as a matter of fact.

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I dunno. Proroguing parliament was pretty undemocratic!

GrumpyPanda · 22/07/2024 19:35

Moontoboon · 22/07/2024 14:34

For goodness sake, American feminists ( not that MM is) face a similar dilemma to many of us faced in the UK faced in our recent election, but turned up to 11. Two parties who are both shit for women, but on different issues and different ways.

I don’t see what it achieves to attack or criticize a woman thinking through this horrible state of affairs and deciding which of shit and shit they think is less shit. Reserve your blame for the people who created the shit, not those faced with the voting for the shit..

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Not the same situation at all. While the Tories may have been shit on so many levels they've never been a threat to democracy itself. And unfortunately that's what is at stake in America right now - not as a matter of hyperbole, but as a matter of fact.

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/07/2024 19:34

WhereYouLeftIt · 22/07/2024 17:35

I think this is exactly where Murphy is coming from. US women are in a lose-lose situation right now. Do you vote Republican and lose abortion rights? Or do you vote Democrat and lose everything else?

However - I was under the impression that the right to decide rolled back from Federal to State level. Many states have already banned abortion, some have written it into state laws and protected it. I'm inclined to think that Trump being elected won't make any difference - if the state wanted to outlaw it they already have. If they haven't yet, I don't see them doing it now. If that is the case - IF - then voting Democrat throws away all rights and voting Republican is unlikely to lose further abortion rights and you might get men and boys out of sports, changing rooms etc.

I think I'd hold my nose and vote Trump.

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I see a future where the United States increasingly becomes the Dis-United States - and where people locate/re-locate to states that match their predominant value system.

Alwaystired94 · 22/07/2024 19:31

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KJK isn’t a feminist FYI.

Cassie is GC and advocates for single sex spaces but she just doesn’t agree with people like KJK and their hatred of trans people outside of single sex spaces.

some nuance is needed.

Omlettes · 22/07/2024 19:25

@Alwaystired94 This particular madness initiated with KJK.
I've seen KJK discussing it with MM on her podcast back in 2022 I think.

GrumpyPanda · 22/07/2024 19:24

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 14:20

Not enough to get them into power.

And I'm not shocked by "many women", I'm shocked by this particular feminist who always covered a good range of feminist topics in the past. There is quite a lot of that I think is extremely blinkered and harmful to women. Not just the Trump/Vance piece, also the anti abortion/contraception and "big pharma" vibes.

Very weird.

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Completely agree. Herbal medicine my arse. I've been on Twitter quite a bit lately, and if you follow US GC accounts it's shocking not just the amount of out and out misogynist MAGA trolls but also genuine posters ranting about the Dems and advocating the anti-vaxx nutjob RFK as an alternative. Which obviously comes down to voting for Trump should you happen to be in a swing state.