Wtf Meghan Murphy

Simply not true for all his faults Biden has been much better.
For starters the convenient memory holing of Trump inheriting a healthier and growing economy from Obama after the global impact of the crash that Bushs GOP inflicted on all of us drives me nuts.
And how anyone who claims to be a feminist a belief system that is fundamentally about the democratic principle of fairness can root for a man who called for insurrection in the face of the democratic process, making him no better than Putin, and expect us to believe you, is quite some reach.

Not strictly true that, is it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54513499.amp rules pre overturning roe v wade

Rules now
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2023/nov/10/state-abortion-laws-us

You do know that he has already been president and many Americans don't think he did a bad job? Certainly not as bad as Biden.

The issue of abortion is not the same as here, mainly due to the all or nothing approach - the pro abortion activists are pro up to birth, which is obviously completely different to the UK abortion law.

I haven't followed this debate in the US in any detail, but I wasn't aware this is what the pro abortion activists in the US were asking for. Are none of them looking for a reasonable solution like we have in the UK (and the rest of Europe, I think)?

I'm not surprised the debate is so polarised if the two options are no abortions at all or abortion up to full term.

Nobody can hold a UK lens over any of this, this is a uniquely USA issue.

The issue of abortion is not the same as here, mainly due to the all or nothing approach - the pro abortion activists are pro up to birth, which is obviously completely different to the UK abortion law.

The vote is about looking at the policies and adding up which make a difference to you. That's the point of democracy.

Are we to now have thread after thread of 'women who Cassie/Adam doesn't agree with' with stupid faces making out as if their words are 'weird'?

This is a perfectly reasonable decision. Trump is simply the least worst option. This is completely different to the best option. If you don't understand that, maybe discussing USA politics isn't in your wheelhouse.

I have heard many reports that Canada is on the turn, and its very likely Trudeau will head the way of Nicola Sturgeon.
The next election is October next year.

Fingers crossed he is kicked out and the next government will deal with it.

As an amusing aside re Trudeau, do you remember all the scandals around his parents?
It always amazed me they voted him in because the Trudeau family scandals was Canadas claim to fame for many years. He was an anomly among leaders at the time seen as a superficial playboy and a security risk.
The DM mentions a few of them here.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13623909/justin-trudeau-mick-jagger-mother-margaret-rolling-stones-canada.html

Yes many reasons.

But also, many women. Not everyone thinks like you.

Maybe if you stopped these witch hunts and listened to other points of view you'd all stop clutching your handbags and screaming at women who have different opinions to you.

i think people are either lying to themselves or just don’t care that he will go after many women’s rights and many LGB rights well as Trans rights.

but oh well as long as they get to remove trans rights also, must be worth it!

keep your opinions out of others uteruses.

abortion is healthcare and isn’t as easy as ‘just asking men to stop getting us pregnant’ as we all know, it’s not simple is it. many who terminate may have been trying to conceive. or find themselves in an abusive relationship. or be very young. and many other reasons.

@CassieMaddox
Tbc I know a person cant change sex, nor have I ever called a man she or visa versa.
I think this movement is the most misogynist movement in my lifetime,so does that make me 'Ultra'?

Because simultaneously I think that supporting the loss of abortion rights on the theory it will end trans ideology is barking mad.

And why on earth is MM saying it should be an either or for women who are half the population?
Frying pan into burning furnace.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that if in fact Trump cracks down on LGBTQ++
that wiil elicit SO much more support for them.

Fight it in the courts and let the wind fizzle out of the balloon.

DONT lets make them martyrs or we will never get rid of it.
Playing right into their hands.

There is no way on god's earth that I will ever accept that not allowing it a woman to have an abortion is okay.

I'd suggest that men need to stop making women pregnant if they are not in long term relationships where both people have planned to bring up a child together.

At some point you guys are going to have to accept that other women are allowed other opinions and have different viewpoints and that doesn't make you right and them wrong.

I'd suggest that men need to stop making women pregnant if they are not in long term relationships where both people have planned to bring up a child together.

At some point you guys are going to have to accept that other women are allowed other opinions and have different viewpoints and that doesn't make you right and them wrong.

Wow.
You really are trying to argue as a feminist that being anti abortion is ever OK.

Would you consider for a moment that women are free-er in the bodies in which they were born, that develop naturally, and freely operate within female reproductive cycles than they are in dependency on medication/manufactured hormones or reliance on the provision of surgery. This might seem far fetched, but to women of my generation there was no automatic provision of abortion or contraception. It is my sense that women were far free-er for say no to unwanted sex and to have a feeling of ownership of one's own biology/sense of self. It is really worth thinking hard about this. I'm not anti-abortion, but the idea that this is a right does a lot of heavy lifting, and to my mind it doesn't serve us in the way many young women seem programmed to believe.

Medicine has a long day at to go when it comes to women's health and bodies..

Yes. I think most women are,which is why I was surprised by MMs rant. Maybe she doesn't know that many women who need hormonal contraception?

There is another conversation about why the implicit way of treating so many womens problems is to give us hormones, but I think that's more to do with the patriarchy in medicine than politicians/big pharma.