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Wtf Meghan Murphy

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CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 13:42

A feminist I used to really admire, deciding pussy grabbing, porn loving, convicted felon Trump and his misogynistic, fickle, anti abortion, running mate Vance are the best choice for American women.

https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763

Feminists/'feminist' men keep insisting to me that @JDVance1 is a misogynist who wants to 'take away women's rights' yet Trump/Vance are the only choice if we wish to restore women's sex-based rights in America (never mind the fact that Vance is anti-p*rn). I am not a fan of letting the government have any say over what women do with their bodies, but 'abortion rights' have for decades been used as a pawn in political games, and women keep letting themselves be played.

Voting Democrat solely because they'll let you have an abortion while they allow all the rest of our sex-based rights to be destroyed seems unwise to me. Women need to take their bodily autonomy into their own hands imo — this means we need to learn about and educate other women about their bodies and reproductive system, so we aren't relying on the government to dole out hormonal birth control (which is HORRIBLE for us) and dictate our reproductive choices. It's far from an ideal situation, but I resent being told I must vote for a party that can't even define the word 'woman' because they'll allow women to have abortions. That gives me the icks and should give you the icks as well.

I don't believe we should be handing over our power to governments, and the more we understand about our own bodies, the power of food/herbal medicine, the less we need to rely on the state or the medical establishment to allow us bodily autonomy and pretend to be invested in our health and wellbeing.

I do think we should fight against anyone/any laws that tell us what we may or may not do with our bodies, but the Democrats are not the party of body sovereignty either, so I'm not sure why women give them that credit.

I'm not sure what's going on with her but this is a huge shock. Very glad I'm not in the States right now.

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https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763

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honestyISkind · 23/07/2024 03:55

Catsmere · 23/07/2024 03:48

A libfem, iirc, so not a feminist at all.

She does seem anti prostitution though. Not a feminist though, but occasionally intersects with them

honestyISkind · 23/07/2024 03:52

Sorry wrong thread

Catsmere · 23/07/2024 03:48

honestyISkind · 23/07/2024 03:28

She stated a while back she doesn't think of herself as a feminist, around the time she wrote a piece saying men who go to strip clubs are just super nice guys no biggie, and you should just chat to men and explain why they need to treat women as human.

She followed some bloke to Mexico and has since tweeted slagging off women with fybromyalgia, plus at least one picture of herself as a teen, stating how cool she looked. She seems obsessed with people curing immune system disorders etc by eating steak and her favourite insult is retard.

She's not my cup of tea

A libfem, iirc, so not a feminist at all.

honestyISkind · 23/07/2024 03:28

She stated a while back she doesn't think of herself as a feminist, around the time she wrote a piece saying men who go to strip clubs are just super nice guys no biggie, and you should just chat to men and explain why they need to treat women as human.

She followed some bloke to Mexico and has since tweeted slagging off women with fybromyalgia, plus at least one picture of herself as a teen, stating how cool she looked. She seems obsessed with people curing immune system disorders etc by eating steak and her favourite insult is retard.

She's not my cup of tea

AlisonDonut · 23/07/2024 02:32

MessinaBloom · 23/07/2024 02:25

Has anyone discussed JD Vance's latest pronouncement about Kamala Harris on Tucker Carlson's show? He said "women who haven’t given birth like Kamala Harris are 'childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives,'and have 'no direct stake” in America'".

No direct stake? Miserable? That's where the US is headed under Trump/Vance - extreme right-wing evangelicalism where women and girls are reduced to breeders. (I rarely use provocative language such as that, but I'm think that deserves it.)

It is quite the conundrum. Two utterly vile men versus sterilising kids.

God bless AMERICA. What a fucking decision.

MessinaBloom · 23/07/2024 02:27

@Theretheretherethere

Some people taking selfies in Capitol is hardly an insurrection.

Dear me. Are you a bot?

MessinaBloom · 23/07/2024 02:25

Has anyone discussed JD Vance's latest pronouncement about Kamala Harris on Tucker Carlson's show? He said "women who haven’t given birth like Kamala Harris are 'childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives,'and have 'no direct stake” in America'".

No direct stake? Miserable? That's where the US is headed under Trump/Vance - extreme right-wing evangelicalism where women and girls are reduced to breeders. (I rarely use provocative language such as that, but I'm think that deserves it.)

AlisonDonut · 23/07/2024 02:25

OldCrone · 23/07/2024 00:28

At the end of that Guardian article there's a list of states and their abortion rules. Most of the 'legal' states have some limit (around 24 weeks). 8 states have no legal limit.

Yes. Until I found out that when they meant abortion many of them mean abortion at any point pre birth which apparently is totally never going to happen but also, did happen, I didn't really understand the issue.

Hence it being much more complicated than just being a yes/no issue.

Murica · 23/07/2024 02:02

Wait, so since Meghan Murphy (a Canadian living in Mexico) posted that Trump's not so bad, so now I, an American, have to vote for him? I can't just ignore her?

ThePenguinIsDrunk · 23/07/2024 00:41

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 16:50

Sorry, are you saying that "men in womens spaces" are linked to the number of abortions needed? Confused That's a huge stretch. Most women who have terminations don't have them as a result of rape. If abortion is outlawed, raped women won't be able to have an abortion regardless of whether or not the rapist identified as a woman

That's what you take from my post? 🙄

OldCrone · 23/07/2024 00:28

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2024 22:08

It is true when it says 'legal' it means 'legal at any time'.

Jesus wept. You don't understand what you are talking about and just Google something and post a link and hope everyone ignores it.

At the end of that Guardian article there's a list of states and their abortion rules. Most of the 'legal' states have some limit (around 24 weeks). 8 states have no legal limit.

Omlettes · 22/07/2024 23:05

@@Alwaystired94 I would suggest they are either not thinking through all the consequences or they dont know about them

TempestTost · 22/07/2024 23:01

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2024 22:58

I can't have either maple syrup or root beer these days! When I moved to France a few years back, in the British aisle of the supermarkets were 3 (three) different varieties of root beer! A complete lost in translation moment that kept me amused for months. The British, they like beer right?

God I love that stuff. It just doesn't love me.

Root beer? Oh my goodness!

That is very sad about the maple syrup.

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2024 22:58

TempestTost · 22/07/2024 22:46

Well, we'll always have maple syrup.

I can't have either maple syrup or root beer these days! When I moved to France a few years back, in the British aisle of the supermarkets were 3 (three) different varieties of root beer! A complete lost in translation moment that kept me amused for months. The British, they like beer right?

God I love that stuff. It just doesn't love me.

TempestTost · 22/07/2024 22:46

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2024 22:44

I don't really talk about Tranada! But yes, unfortunately I am.

Well, we'll always have maple syrup.

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 22:46

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AlisonDonut · 22/07/2024 22:44

TempestTost · 22/07/2024 22:33

Alison, I didn't realize you were Canadian!

I don't really talk about Tranada! But yes, unfortunately I am.

cupcaske123 · 22/07/2024 22:44

Theretheretherethere · 22/07/2024 22:35

Some people taking selfies in Capitol is hardly an insurrection.

That's the second time I've heard something like this, the first time it was half a dozen people on a day trip.

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 22:42

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2024 22:08

It is true when it says 'legal' it means 'legal at any time'.

Jesus wept. You don't understand what you are talking about and just Google something and post a link and hope everyone ignores it.

Before roe v wade was overturned there were government rules.
Roe v wade being overturned was a result of Trumps shenanigans with the supreme Court.

Now far more of the USA has no abortion than legal abortion. And you are advocating voting in the man who got rid of roe v wade in the first place and his running mate who thinks abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape and incest.

Yes these men definitely know what women are and what they think their place in the world should be. Welcome to Gilead.

But feel free to carry on insulting me while simultaneously posting anti feminist rubbish.

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CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 22:38

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 22/07/2024 22:24

You don't understand what you are talking about and just Google something and post a link and hope everyone ignores it

We saw that on the Harman/Fawcett thread with "evidence" hastily googled and posted, the aim of which was supposedly to undermine my point about what Cassie so dismissively called "the PIE thing". It had the opposite effect of course. Plus ca change.

I take it as a compliment you store this up and use it to misrepresent me whenever you can. I'm obviously some form of threat.
Whereas the absolute nonsense you and Alison post over multiple threads is in one ear,out the other with me. It's just a disagreement.

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quixote9 · 22/07/2024 22:36

ScrollingLeaves · 22/07/2024 15:03

I think one of the first things Boden did after taking office was to effectively sign away the definition of women with a jubilant, be-kind flourish probably having no idea what the implications were.h

www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/02/fact-check-biden-executive-order-discrimination-transgender-women-sports/6686171002/

Yes, indeed he did. It was a big, but totally expected disappointment.

I'm not sure a US politician could survive even one GC statement. The pile-on would rival the Great Pyramid.

Theretheretherethere · 22/07/2024 22:35

Omlettes · 22/07/2024 22:03

Simply not true for all his faults Biden has been much better.
For starters the convenient memory holing of Trump inheriting a healthier and growing economy from Obama after the global impact of the crash that Bushs GOP inflicted on all of us drives me nuts.
And how anyone who claims to be a feminist a belief system that is fundamentally about the democratic principle of fairness can root for a man who called for insurrection in the face of the democratic process, making him no better than Putin, and expect us to believe you, is quite some reach.

Some people taking selfies in Capitol is hardly an insurrection.

TempestTost · 22/07/2024 22:33

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2024 22:12

You do realise when I say 'some Americans' I don't mean me?

You do know that's how words work? Don't ever call me American. I'm Canadian and think most Americans are Batshit. But we are talking about their opinions. And they are the ones voting.

You get that right?

Alison, I didn't realize you were Canadian!

TempestTost · 22/07/2024 22:32

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 21:38

Don't be ridiculous
You can't wang on about how great a feminist you are for not "dissing other women" and simultaneously think that "other women" are going to go round aborting healthy foetuses at eight and a half months. Not to mention the medical professionals who would need to carry out the procedure.

Typical pro life talking point, you are also giving me "no sex before marriage"/ extreme chastity vibes. Are you very religious?

If it's not wrong, why wouldn't they? That's the fundamental question Cassie. If you think it's ok, why wouldn't other people? Why are you trying to convince anyone it wouldn't happen.

The fact is it does happen, it has happened historically, and even worse, so it's not really a point you can argue successfully. But I am really intrigued by your logic here, where it is both ok, and no one will do it, because....

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 22/07/2024 22:24

You don't understand what you are talking about and just Google something and post a link and hope everyone ignores it

We saw that on the Harman/Fawcett thread with "evidence" hastily googled and posted, the aim of which was supposedly to undermine my point about what Cassie so dismissively called "the PIE thing". It had the opposite effect of course. Plus ca change.