Wtf Meghan Murphy

i don't disagree with you, those things also are against women. I just can't see how you can call yourself a feminist and advocate for a proven predator in power who believes restricting womens access to healthcare is ok.

neither side in US politics is feminist friendly. It's dog shit.

She didn't say that at all.

What she said was that she was not going to have the threat of abortion legislation held over her to determine her vote.

You are assuming such legislation is likely if Trump gets in, and not if the Democrat candidate gets in. MM is saying that isn't the case, it is an empty threat in this election, used for years by both parties to try and force women's votes.

You need to learn to read more carefully, it's a common theme that you miss half of what a writer has said.

Well Cassie, I think it's because most people don't think it's ok to kill a child because the mum does not want it, or the household might not be ideal, or adoption might be in the cards.

Whether it's a late termination or infanticide immediately after birth, you are talking about an infant at the same stage, with the same capacities.

I wondered before, do you really not understand that if people are taught that it is morally ok to kill an infant at term, that many will believe it and it will happen - it's been quite common historically. Because it seemed like you believed that no one would ever do such a thing.

It seems that in fact you do understand that, you just think it's ok.

^^
Agree! From a "feminist board" it really doesn't seem like it on here more and more so.

@Alwaystired94
bold of you to sarcastically say ‘so feminist of you’ when i’m arguing against ‘feminists’ handing over women’s right to their body away

This
Absolutely topsy turvy upside down world on here with some.
It IS feminist to not want our reproductive rights and bodily autonomy taken away.
Yes, advocate taking away access to abortion which would affect people in abusive relationships, or just expect women to be able to "control" how many they have and just stop at two or whatever if they wanted as that's what Granny said they did in the 2Os said according to a pp.
Yes, because that sounds a completely foolproof plan 🙄😂
It's putting women back in the kitchen, tied to the house mentality. Keep them pregnant and they can't do anything about it
I remember a thread on here a while back where someone said "nobody's advocating for taking it away, though are they?
Yet here we are.
It's madness to say "we can give them away and then try and get them back after they've gone."
As if it'd happen like that.

Just imagine calling yourself a feminist and putting in power someone who locks women up in communal cells with convicted serial rapists resulting in many of them being raped and the rest living in fear of it, who makes it illegal for girls to object to getting undressed in front of men, who destroys women’s sports, who pushes the idea that women are merely a selection of harmful stereotypes?

Abortion up until birth is permissible in five U.S states. Abortion limits, in other states which permit abortion, vary from 6 weeks to 24 weeks - but more States permit abortion than do not.

Most of Europe has a time limit of 14 weeks. Britain and The Netherlands have the highest limit - at 24 weeks.

https://fullerproject.org/story/how-major-abortion-laws-compare-state-by-state-map/

it's so annoying a viewpoint because it's hardly only themselves they are affecting with their views.
Russell Brand was always a wrongun - he was just better at hiding it (because society didn't care about the disgusting things he did). It's a shame as i still quote his 'don't tell the daily mail' skit :(

Herbal medicine . Ah yes. Full spectrum conspiracy syndrome. See Russell Brand et al

if not they are ticking every MAGA cult box...

To be fair, some late term terminations are genuinely for non medical reasons (in the States certainly, and probably here). The usual background is a chaotic lifestyle and unstable relationships (woman gets pregnant with a guy who is a dead loss and sometimes they are together and sometimes they are not, she then forms a relationship with a new guy who doesn't want her unborn baby etc. etc.). In some cases, a woman is obese and has PCOS and does not realise she is pregnant until very late in the pregnancy. Not saying this should be banned, necessarily, but I get why there is discomfort about abortion at these late stages.

(The information on the above type of abortion is from the Guttmacher Institute, which is the data wing of Planned Parenthood, by the way. I was also quite surprised when I read through the documentation.)

Benjamin Boyce, James Lindsay?

The funny thing about complaints that the court is "stuffed" with conservatives, is that it was stuffed with liberals in order to get RvW through in the first place. It was never a strong judgement legally, it was a political judgement, and that was never hidden. It was considered a-ok by Democrats. It should be no surprise Republicans don't have a problem with doing the same thing.

RBG never thought it was a good legal decision, and I would say her concerns about it as likely to stoke division were quite justified.

I had conversations with women who voted only on this issue, they were single issue voters ie were not considering other aspects when voting.

It's the pro-choice groups that see it as an all or nothing thing. I've known people who were fairly moderate who wanted to get involved with some activism and found very quickly their views weren't acceptable.

It's not actually only in the US. Canada is the same,and frankly if you scratch the surface at FWR you will find quite a few activists are hard line on this, there should in their minds be zero restrictions on abortion. The fact that a 30 week fetus is a baby makes no difference to them, as far as they are concerned it's an irrelevance. Their ideology is clear, it's not a "person" in the law so has no meaningful legal or moral status. The mother can do what she likes for any reason, at any time, be it abortions as performance art or at end of term.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg had the opportunity, in 2013, to retire with a Democrat president in office and thereby keep a more neutral balance to the Supreme Court.

Arguably her (selfish, at 81 and already in ill health) decision to stay in office (and who does that remind you of?) was ‘the’ major contributor to RvW being overturned, only two years after her death gave Trump the opportunity to fix the court for the following 15-20 years.

Clinton didn’t do much for women in office, although I suppose you have to give him credit for knowing his biology. And as PPs have stated upthread, Obama could have protected abortion rights, had he seen it as a priority. But Democrats at a Federal level have taken women’s votes for granted for years, just as they’ve taken black and Hispanic votes as read, and have done less and less to show they deserve their ‘blind’ support.

And heaven help us in mitigating the fallout from that. Four years of an isolationist leaning, far right US administration is going to hurt all of us.

Condoms, decent education about tracking my cycle and my likely fertility window, (which would have likely led me to abstain from sex even with condoms during it) and decent access to morning after pills

Do you actually believe that MM and her friends are in favor of the morning after pill becoming easier to access?

Most women who voted for Reform or the Conservatives will have voted for other reasons - immigration, NIMBYism, anger about net zero. The gender thing was probably a reason for some women, but it's odd to assume that just because someone is a woman their politics must be primarily motivated by gender politics.

That’s good to hear.

Oh and she's been living in Mexico for a while now I think. And is super giggly friendly with a creepy sexist male podcaster but I can't recall his name sorry.

Oh, it was the right thread. Oops.
When I was a teen abortion cut off was 12 weeks, which is too restrictive. 20 weeks is fine 99.9 percent of the time and nearly all abortions are performed at 20 weeks pr less.

I do want there to be exceptions possible of course. Ultimately women are not a uterus on legs and their rights must always supercede the foetus.

But if you've spent time in nicu and seen a parent interact with a 30 week premie you'd be keen to avoid late term abortions when possible and there's simply nothing wrong with that, whatever political party you support.