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Wtf Meghan Murphy

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CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 13:42

A feminist I used to really admire, deciding pussy grabbing, porn loving, convicted felon Trump and his misogynistic, fickle, anti abortion, running mate Vance are the best choice for American women.

https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763

Feminists/'feminist' men keep insisting to me that @JDVance1 is a misogynist who wants to 'take away women's rights' yet Trump/Vance are the only choice if we wish to restore women's sex-based rights in America (never mind the fact that Vance is anti-p*rn). I am not a fan of letting the government have any say over what women do with their bodies, but 'abortion rights' have for decades been used as a pawn in political games, and women keep letting themselves be played.

Voting Democrat solely because they'll let you have an abortion while they allow all the rest of our sex-based rights to be destroyed seems unwise to me. Women need to take their bodily autonomy into their own hands imo — this means we need to learn about and educate other women about their bodies and reproductive system, so we aren't relying on the government to dole out hormonal birth control (which is HORRIBLE for us) and dictate our reproductive choices. It's far from an ideal situation, but I resent being told I must vote for a party that can't even define the word 'woman' because they'll allow women to have abortions. That gives me the icks and should give you the icks as well.

I don't believe we should be handing over our power to governments, and the more we understand about our own bodies, the power of food/herbal medicine, the less we need to rely on the state or the medical establishment to allow us bodily autonomy and pretend to be invested in our health and wellbeing.

I do think we should fight against anyone/any laws that tell us what we may or may not do with our bodies, but the Democrats are not the party of body sovereignty either, so I'm not sure why women give them that credit.

I'm not sure what's going on with her but this is a huge shock. Very glad I'm not in the States right now.

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https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763

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Grammarnut · 25/07/2024 13:12

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/07/2024 09:51

Can you explain in which specific ways you think democracy is at stake?

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The US is not a democracy, it's a republic. They are different forms of government.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2024 13:07

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/07/2024 12:45

Don't all presidents effectively "rig" the judiciary, though?

In the UK political parties give peerages to their chosen ones.

The Peers don’t get to do something such as overturn Roe vs Wade, or do something such as dismiss the Classified Documents Case against the former president.

BeachParty · 25/07/2024 13:02

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/07/2024 12:54

Your post reminds me of my students when it becomes clear they have not before learned any critical thinking skills.

I repeat. In what way would Trump in office be a threat to democracy? All you've said is what happened when he lost the last election.

Just making statements is not enough. We keep hearing how American democracy is at stake, and that he's like Hitler.

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So you did read it after all then.
Good
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Shortshriftandlethal · 25/07/2024 12:54

BeachParty · 25/07/2024 12:52

😂
I've literally just said why I think so!
Lol, your response reminded me of my when my kids were toddlers - but WHY 😁
You're clearly not reading comments, or if you are you're choosing not to listen.
Crack on if so.

Your post reminds me of my students when it becomes clear they have not before learned any critical thinking skills.

I repeat. In what way would Trump in office be a threat to democracy? All you've said is what happened when he lost the last election.

Just making statements is not enough. We keep hearing how American democracy is at stake, and that he's like Hitler.

BeachParty · 25/07/2024 12:52

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/07/2024 12:50

But why would he be a threat to democracy. In what way? He has already been president and the nation didn't collapse. Let's not over-look the fact that there has been severe disorder, violence and looting on the streets of some of America's big cities - due to movements like Defund the Police/Antifa.

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😂
I've literally just said why I think so!
Lol, your response reminded me of my when my kids were toddlers - but WHY 😁
You're clearly not reading comments, or if you are you're choosing not to listen.
Crack on if so.

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/07/2024 12:50

BeachParty · 25/07/2024 12:47

But are you suggesting that if he does get elected in November - then that in itself would be "against democracy?

Nowhere did I say that. I answered your question. It's democracy to let people vote for who they .
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If you read my question again, see that I said *if he got voted in again that he HIMSELF would be a threat to democracy.

But why would he be a threat to democracy. In what way? He has already been president and the nation didn't collapse. Let's not over-look the fact that there has been severe disorder, violence and looting on the streets of some of America's big cities - due to movements like Defund the Police/Antifa.

BeachParty · 25/07/2024 12:47

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/07/2024 12:42

But are you suggesting that if he does get elected in November - then that in itself would be "against democracy?" Or do you think the vote may somehow be manipulated by his team? And on what basis is he being referred to as "like Hitler"?

But are you suggesting that if he does get elected in November - then that in itself would be "against democracy?

Nowhere did I say that. I answered your question. It's democracy to let people vote for who they .
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If you read my question again, see that I said *if he got voted in again that he HIMSELF would be a threat to democracy.

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/07/2024 12:45

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2024 11:17

And rigging the judiciary.

Don't all presidents effectively "rig" the judiciary, though?

In the UK political parties give peerages to their chosen ones.

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/07/2024 12:42

BeachParty · 25/07/2024 11:04

Well, I'm assuming the absolute mantrum Trump had when he lost and also all the "STOP THE COUNT!!!!" meltdown he had on Twitter.
He declared it all a fix, kind of like your toddler does when they lose a game of something.
Riled people up, refused to go quietly.
Him.in power again would be a threat to democracy imo.

But are you suggesting that if he does get elected in November - then that in itself would be "against democracy?" Or do you think the vote may somehow be manipulated by his team? And on what basis is he being referred to as "like Hitler"?

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2024 11:17

BeachParty · 25/07/2024 11:04

Well, I'm assuming the absolute mantrum Trump had when he lost and also all the "STOP THE COUNT!!!!" meltdown he had on Twitter.
He declared it all a fix, kind of like your toddler does when they lose a game of something.
Riled people up, refused to go quietly.
Him.in power again would be a threat to democracy imo.

And rigging the judiciary.

BeachParty · 25/07/2024 11:04

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/07/2024 09:51

Can you explain in which specific ways you think democracy is at stake?

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Well, I'm assuming the absolute mantrum Trump had when he lost and also all the "STOP THE COUNT!!!!" meltdown he had on Twitter.
He declared it all a fix, kind of like your toddler does when they lose a game of something.
Riled people up, refused to go quietly.
Him.in power again would be a threat to democracy imo.

Grammarnut · 25/07/2024 10:01

Delphinium20 · 24/07/2024 22:40

No idea how many of the posters here are American, but I find her pronouncements on our politics tedious, much like I did KJK's chiding us not voting Trump. You must have quite the privilege for gender woo to be the only women's issue impacting your life.

JD Vance is misogyny on steroids and is fine with 10 year old girls carrying their rapists babies. He also mocks women who don't have children as "cat ladies."

I'm a feminist and American and im voting Kamala Harris.

MM, sweetie, we US rad feminists aren't in need of counsel on what to do with our vote. Most of the US feminists I know will go blue in November. Enjoy your margaritas in Mexico, we're busy in the US with many women's issues, not just the insanity of trans (which is polling poorly and I've noted not one mention of it in VP Harris's campaign issues).

Complaints about commenting on US politics from elsewhere comes a bit strong if directed at the UK (I know, you mean Canada, but we share a king and an ethos). I dislike Biden, not because he is a Democrat (which afaik means he is roughly equivalent to the centre-right wing of the Conservative party), but because of his stance - as a proud Irish American - on Ireland. My mother heard the bang that was the destruction of the Chiswick flyover by the PIRA, my late brother used a pub they bombed. Proud 'Irish Americans' (I am more Irish, my paternal grandparents were Irish, dairymen from Dublin, and I am English) funded Noraid - funded blowing up British people to force a settlement that most in NI did not want, and was none of the US's business. The UK upholds the principle of self-determination. It is up to Northern Ireland whether it is part of the UK or the RoI, not anyone else.
The other reason I don't like Biden is that he is pro the trans agenda, a misogynistic men's rights movement. True, in the UK we have an abortion law which allows abortion up to 24 weeks, abortion is not an issue here. But the trans agenda impinges on us and we have seen our sex-based rights chipped away at by this movement, seen women abused and injured by its activists, seen women (and men) deplatformed, lose their jobs and their livelihoods. It's serious.
So serious, I spoiled my vote in the last election because none of the parties standing stood for women.
Given Noraid I think the UK has some right to comment on US politics. If the US wants us not to it should stop trying to stir up non-existent trouble in Northern Ireland, which has voted to remain as part of the UK - and may change its mind when it wishes with no interference from Westminster.

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/07/2024 09:51

Delphinium20 · 25/07/2024 05:15

Democracy and the transfer of power is also at risk. Which, IMO, is greater even than feminism as an issue. I'd accept a conservative government (say if Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney ran), but that's not what Trump or Vance want - the first wants a monarchy, the second a theocracy.

Can you explain in which specific ways you think democracy is at stake?

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/07/2024 09:48

Delphinium20 · 25/07/2024 05:15

Democracy and the transfer of power is also at risk. Which, IMO, is greater even than feminism as an issue. I'd accept a conservative government (say if Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney ran), but that's not what Trump or Vance want - the first wants a monarchy, the second a theocracy.

There is a lot to be said for the stability of constitutional monarchies.......

Other than that the rhetoric seems so over-blown and hyperbolic around Trump and Vance. It is verging on hysteria. Do you really understand what a theocracy involves? Seeing the images of rabid crowds burning effigies of Netanyahu yesterday, comes to mind.

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/07/2024 09:45

knitnerd90 · 25/07/2024 05:31

There's been rumours flying for days. Pritzker was certainly on the shortlist, but not one of the top ones. He does not have huge appeal for swing state voters. He does have a ton of money, but that has its own downsides.

He also has a very prominent brother who goes by the name of Jennifer, and whose family fortune is very 'influential'.

knitnerd90 · 25/07/2024 05:31

There's been rumours flying for days. Pritzker was certainly on the shortlist, but not one of the top ones. He does not have huge appeal for swing state voters. He does have a ton of money, but that has its own downsides.

Delphinium20 · 25/07/2024 05:19

AlisonDonut · 25/07/2024 05:07

Reports coming in that Kamala has asked JB Pritzker to be VP.

At least they are saying the quiet bit out loud now.

What reports? I've not seen any that she's decided on Pritzker. Last report in NYTimes as of today didn't even list him.

Three people close to the campaign, who were not authorized to talk publicly, say that five people are under serious consideration: Governor Shapiro, Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona and Govs. Roy Cooper of North Carolina, Tim Walz of Minnesota and Andy Beshear of Kentucky. But that list, they warn, remains in flux.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/24/us/politics/harris-vice-president-search.html

Delphinium20 · 25/07/2024 05:15

Democracy and the transfer of power is also at risk. Which, IMO, is greater even than feminism as an issue. I'd accept a conservative government (say if Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney ran), but that's not what Trump or Vance want - the first wants a monarchy, the second a theocracy.

AlisonDonut · 25/07/2024 05:07

Reports coming in that Kamala has asked JB Pritzker to be VP.

At least they are saying the quiet bit out loud now.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 25/07/2024 04:25

A lot of the GOP lot seem to want to go after no-fault divorce as well. NFD literally saves women's lives.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 25/07/2024 04:23

Delphinium20 · 25/07/2024 02:46

So which parents have it worst? The mom of the 10 year old girl who's been raped and cant get an abortion or the mom of the 15 year old girl who's been emancipated so she can get her breasts cut off? Both suffer, IMO but MM telling us JD Vance and Trump is the better choice, especially as she is a citizen of a country where she can get an abortion is very much a privileged position. She's cherry picking her most important issue and telling us which way to choose, when she has no skin in the game.

I agree with your analysis here.

knitnerd90 · 25/07/2024 04:12

Also, if I had concerns about aspects of trans care, I would find it far more worthwhile and effective to lobby the AAP, who write the guidelines. State legislatures have a terrible history of writing bad law. Some of the legislators don't even understand basic anatomy; it's an embarrassment.

knitnerd90 · 25/07/2024 04:11

For me, an American voter?I just don't think there's any way to square "women's rights" with voting for the GOP in this election regardless of how I felt about trans rights.

It's so, so much more than abortion. Yes, there's a wing of the GOP that wants to restrict access to contraception (enforcement of the Comstock Act, banning IUDs) and restrict divorce. But it is much more than that. GOP policies restrict the right of women to sue for discrimination and harassment. They impede all women's health care in states that ban abortion because gynaecologists don't want to work there and there isn't a clear line between abortion and miscarriage care; they use many of the same procedures. Doctors are afraid to treat women with unviable pregnancies. Increased demand from illegal states impacts the availability of care in others. Some of them want to ban IVF (a move that backfires every time they try but it doesn't stop them!) Failure to expand Medicaid means that maternal and neonatal mortality rates are higher and women with chronic health conditions go untreated: look up health outcomes for different states to see how this plays out. The GOP opposes maternity leave and child care. Some of them tried to stop re-authorisation of the Violence Against Women Act. Some are so pro-Second Amendment they think proven domestic abusers should retain the right to own a gun. (Thank God, the Supreme Court ruled that they can be stripped of that right.)

I simply can't look at all of that and say, "Well, stopping gender ideology is more important." They think feminism is gender ideology. Their motivations aren't anything to do with protecting women and girls; it's merely an extension of their desire to control women's bodies.

Delphinium20 · 25/07/2024 02:46

So which parents have it worst? The mom of the 10 year old girl who's been raped and cant get an abortion or the mom of the 15 year old girl who's been emancipated so she can get her breasts cut off? Both suffer, IMO but MM telling us JD Vance and Trump is the better choice, especially as she is a citizen of a country where she can get an abortion is very much a privileged position. She's cherry picking her most important issue and telling us which way to choose, when she has no skin in the game.

Tallwhitepine · 25/07/2024 01:33

"No idea how many of the posters here are American, but I find her pronouncements on our politics tedious, much like I did KJK's chiding us not voting Trump. You must have quite the privilege for gender woo to be the only women's issue impacting your life."

I don't think the parents whose kids are barreling down the gender path to being a lifelong medical patient while people like Harris cheer them on feel it's a trivial issue. Dismissing their concerns sure looks priviledged.