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Wtf Meghan Murphy

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CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 13:42

A feminist I used to really admire, deciding pussy grabbing, porn loving, convicted felon Trump and his misogynistic, fickle, anti abortion, running mate Vance are the best choice for American women.

https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763

Feminists/'feminist' men keep insisting to me that @JDVance1 is a misogynist who wants to 'take away women's rights' yet Trump/Vance are the only choice if we wish to restore women's sex-based rights in America (never mind the fact that Vance is anti-p*rn). I am not a fan of letting the government have any say over what women do with their bodies, but 'abortion rights' have for decades been used as a pawn in political games, and women keep letting themselves be played.

Voting Democrat solely because they'll let you have an abortion while they allow all the rest of our sex-based rights to be destroyed seems unwise to me. Women need to take their bodily autonomy into their own hands imo — this means we need to learn about and educate other women about their bodies and reproductive system, so we aren't relying on the government to dole out hormonal birth control (which is HORRIBLE for us) and dictate our reproductive choices. It's far from an ideal situation, but I resent being told I must vote for a party that can't even define the word 'woman' because they'll allow women to have abortions. That gives me the icks and should give you the icks as well.

I don't believe we should be handing over our power to governments, and the more we understand about our own bodies, the power of food/herbal medicine, the less we need to rely on the state or the medical establishment to allow us bodily autonomy and pretend to be invested in our health and wellbeing.

I do think we should fight against anyone/any laws that tell us what we may or may not do with our bodies, but the Democrats are not the party of body sovereignty either, so I'm not sure why women give them that credit.

I'm not sure what's going on with her but this is a huge shock. Very glad I'm not in the States right now.

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https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763

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CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 14:24

VotesForWomen · 22/07/2024 14:19

Is there much evidence that women voted farage or tory on the single issue basis of sex-based rights?

Far fewer women than men voted reform (13% F, 17%M)

Not as marked a gap but still there for Tories (23% F, 26%M)

https://www.focaldata.com/blog/how-britain-voted-2024

How Britain Voted 2024

We have completed our post-election analysis of the 2024 general election. Based on fieldwork from 52,907 respondents, we’ve weighted the responses to match the demographics and results in each region of Great Britain. View the analysis now.

https://www.focaldata.com/blog/how-britain-voted-2024

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VotesForWomen · 22/07/2024 14:22

"Voting Democrat solely because they'll let you have an abortion while they allow all the rest of our sex-based rights to be destroyed seems unwise to me. Women need to take their bodily autonomy into their own hands imo — this means we need to learn about and educate other women about their bodies and reproductive system, so we aren't relying on the government to dole out hormonal birth control (which is HORRIBLE for us) and dictate our reproductive choices. It's far from an ideal situation, but I resent being told I must vote for a party that can't even define the word 'woman' because they'll allow women to have abortions. That gives me the icks and should give you the icks as well.

I don't believe we should be handing over our power to governments, and the more we understand about our own bodies, the power of food/herbal medicine, the less we need to rely on the state or the medical establishment to allow us bodily autonomy and pretend to be invested in our health and wellbeing."

I mean, much though I'd rather vote for an old white dude who is demonstrably mentally incapacitated over trump, I don't disagree with her on any of this.

Our reproductive and sex-based rights, choices and health should be in our hands, not those of any government. She's barking if she thinks Trump will advance and not regress women's rights though.

I wonder if she has changed her stance at all with last night's news?

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 14:20

cupcaske123 · 22/07/2024 14:13

But women voted for Farage for the same reasons. They wanted to get rid off trans ideology and protect women's sex based rights. Even though austerity cast many women into poverty and made them a lot worse off, many 'feminists' voted Tory over this single issue. I don't understand why you're shocked it's happening in the States.

Not enough to get them into power.

And I'm not shocked by "many women", I'm shocked by this particular feminist who always covered a good range of feminist topics in the past. There is quite a lot of that I think is extremely blinkered and harmful to women. Not just the Trump/Vance piece, also the anti abortion/contraception and "big pharma" vibes.

Very weird.

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AReasonablePerson · 22/07/2024 14:19

OP were you misled then in the reasons for your previous admiration of her? She seems to me here to make several good points. I think one of the reasons we are in the mess we are all in, is the partisan nature of any opinion. Can you not disagree with her on this, and yet give her credit for the points on which you agree?

VotesForWomen · 22/07/2024 14:19

cupcaske123 · 22/07/2024 14:13

But women voted for Farage for the same reasons. They wanted to get rid off trans ideology and protect women's sex based rights. Even though austerity cast many women into poverty and made them a lot worse off, many 'feminists' voted Tory over this single issue. I don't understand why you're shocked it's happening in the States.

Is there much evidence that women voted farage or tory on the single issue basis of sex-based rights?

cupcaske123 · 22/07/2024 14:13

But women voted for Farage for the same reasons. They wanted to get rid off trans ideology and protect women's sex based rights. Even though austerity cast many women into poverty and made them a lot worse off, many 'feminists' voted Tory over this single issue. I don't understand why you're shocked it's happening in the States.

lcakethereforeIam · 22/07/2024 14:09

I feel for women in the US. What flavour of shit sandwich do you want? I can kind of see her point. Banning/restricting abortions is something that is more likely to inspire a pushback leading to a turn around. GI becoming even more embedded will be much harder to unpick.

PatatiPatatras · 22/07/2024 14:08

Is this a full or partial analysis of the political landscape for American female voters? 🤔

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2024 14:02

She lives in Mexico.

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 13:53

She's based in vancouver - just googled to check. So just sticking her oar into something that's not going to affect her anyway Confused

I do think some women have lost their minds. Trump will not be good for any woman or the planet as a whole.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 22/07/2024 13:52

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 13:49

I thought she was Canadian anyway!

Oh true! Good job the Americans don't have the same rule as the Canadians, that it's illegal to comment or try to influence the election from abroad...

quixote9 · 22/07/2024 13:50

Lordy. I'm betting the issue is that the Dems are totally in the tank for TRAs. I don't know when they're finally going to wake up and notice that all-TRA-all-the-time is anti-women, anti-gay, anti-anyone-discriminated-against-on-the-basis-of-sex.

So this is probably her way of being a single issue voter, since the Repubs are on the side of Stepford Wives and are anti-trans in the wrong way and for all the wrong reasons.

Good example of why single issue voting can be a Really Bad Idea.

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 13:49

I thought she was Canadian anyway!

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MrsTerryPratchett · 22/07/2024 13:43

If a rapist is the best choice, I'd emigrate.