Wtf Meghan Murphy

Doesn't make a difference if there won't be a democratic choice in the future because the Repugs have built up counter-majoritarian institutions to an extent to ensure perpetual minority rule. That's been the McConnell/Trump agenda for years, and the Heritage crowd and the reactionary activist SCOTUS majority look dead set on building on it.

My absence from all these threads where Cassie criticises women she considers to be the wrong sort of feminist should not be taken for agreement, just for the record. Life is too short.

Do you have any more information about the legal cases in the US? I know there are some in progress, but I'm not aware of anything which has already been won.

my assumption is it doesn’t affect them so they’re happy to forgo those rights cos whatever.

that has got to be one of the most dangerous things i’ve read on mumsnet.

yet people like this accuse others of being handmaidens?? and yet they’re the ones trying to make it a thing??

access to abortion is healthcare. no one should have to carry a pregnancy they do not want, that is dangerous or any other reason. taking away that right only causes millions of women direct harm. between that and lack of contraception.

im doubting the PP is even a woman because i would hope no woman is willing to give up the right of BODY AUTONOMY just to try and bring it back? do they realise how impossible that would be for women in the US?

Ill informed madness, they would take womens rights back to the Victorian era just because of ignorance.
Terrifying.

Insane.
You would do that to over a hundred million women and remove access to contraception, also emboldening other countries?
And you believe Trump wont be delighted to be sucked up to by gender activists?
Nor stick it to women even further after losing his rape case?

And the impact on society all those kids born to rape incest or just unwanted? A vicious cycle of harm. And young pregnant girls ?

The horror for women enforced to bear children, especially her rapists children or single mothers with no income, the complete devastation of their careers and lack of independance from abusive men.

Utter unconsidered madness.
You would send us straight to the Handmaids Tale without any thought whatsoever.
Meanwhile Court cases are taking place across the US, turning the tide one by one. Follow Kara Dansky for genuine information, she is cautiously optimistic.

Roe/wade was always a jam tomorrow issue that the Democrats used to get women to vote for them. They had decades to build a less ramshackle protection. They didn't. Republicans are gonna republican, what happened was inevitable in the face of Democrat inaction.

he’s the least worst option in your opinion, not for all. that’s the point isn’t it?

Well said Alison

Women's right to abortion was lost under a Democrat president. No democrat president, whether Biden or a predecessor, cared to protect abortion.

👏 👏 👏 @AlisonDonut. Couldn't have said it better myself!

Nobody can hold a UK lens over any of this, this is a uniquely USA issue.

The issue of abortion is not the same as here, mainly due to the all or nothing approach - the pro abortion activists are pro up to birth, which is obviously completely different to the UK abortion law.

The vote is about looking at the policies and adding up which make a difference to you. That's the point of democracy.

Are we to now have thread after thread of 'women who Cassie/Adam doesn't agree with' with stupid faces making out as if their words are 'weird'?

This is a perfectly reasonable decision. Trump is simply the least worst option. This is completely different to the best option. If you don't understand that, maybe discussing USA politics isn't in your wheelhouse.

Obama could have sorted Roe v Wade, he promised to and he didn't.

I believe Bill Clinton also had the opportunity, when he had control of both Houses.

I didn't mention the left or the right, the dems or republicans. That's you reading something into my post that I didnt say.

Jeez, can't you hear the exasperation in Meghan's tweet. She may just be guilty of overestimating her audience.

The problem is that a vote for Trump is a known quantity but a vote for Democrats is a vote for hope which you know deep down is going to be betrayed as they spit in your face and shout you down.

Obama could have sorted Roe v Wade, he promised to and he didn't.

This is about despair.

I agree, this is what Kellie-Jay Keen says as well and like her I'd rather give up abortion rights now and win the war against the gender borg and then when that is done fight to regain the right to abortion.

If the choice is between the government enforcing the sterilisation of my children or not allowing abortions then I would be tempted by keeping my children fertile. See what's just been passed in California and you may not see it so black and white.

So much sympathy for American women. Two parties, each shitting on women in their own way. The UK election was hard enough.

We really are on our own.

Sorry?
Bizarre thing to say, you dont know me in the slightest, nor do I run a podcast for you to judge eitherway.
"Reasonable Person'...
She is not that bright hence her unthought out and profoundly offensive position on abortion and Trump.

Some feminist.
Why on earth would women trade away their most fundamental rights, that impact every aspect of their lives especially when Trump is so incredibly unstable and changes position on the point of a pin.

If she thinks he wont fold like a pack of cards as soon as someone like Dylan Mulvaney sucks up to him, then she has not paid attention to his character in the slightest.
And remember Trump is vowing vengance, after losing his rape case do you think he will give a rats arse about women?

Far better to turn the Dems, and they will turn slowly but surely as legal cases continue to be won in the US.

By the way, if I haven't said it, I appreciate the conversation and thank you. Sometimes that doesn't come across well.