Wtf Meghan Murphy

Had you/the US, seen a real insurrection you would know that the invasion of the Capitol was not one. Where was the armed back-up from the army, or the bureaucratic back-up? It was a protest, just like the Gaza protests (though why it is virtuous to support rapists and murderers but wicked to support people who feel disenfranchised, I am not sure).

As I stated, correctly, Trump left office without inciting violence.

You didn’t say that. You said:

Trump left office with no threats or issues last time.

Which is patently untrue. A storming of the Capitol in his name and subsequent charges directed at him for his actions, based on a bipartisan review of the event concluding Trump had a seven part plan to cause unrest easily fit the definition of “issues”.

Even if you disagree with the findings, to say he “left without issues” as you said originally is objectively false.

Which is irrelevant to the claims being made.

As I stated, correctly, Trump left office without inciting violence.

The worst thing he did was to refuse to meet up with Biden and show him around the Whitehouse.

People believe what other people had told them. If there was the tiniest whiff of evidence that he incited violence or refused to step down it would be right here on this thread in triplicate.

It is paranoia and frankly nuts to suggest that when he gets elected again (and its increasingly looking that way) he will refuse to leave power if he is voted out again. And it is based on precisely nothing.

If you have a problem with some of his supporters, aim it at them, with his policies, discuss them - but making shit up isn't helping.

Oh, and Trump has also been found guilty of 23 felonies himself.

There have been more than 1,200 people charged, more than 460 imprisoned for their role in the attack on the Capitol, including 213 who pleaded to felonies that include assaults on federal officers, obstructing law enforcement and seditious conspiracy. Trump said, as of very recently, he'd free all of them.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-pardon-jan-6-capitol-rioters-rcna149900

So, no actual evidence then? Just believing what you are told. Okie dokie.

Here's his tweet on that day.

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346912780700577792?lang=en

"I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!
6:13 AM · Jan 7, 2021"

NO, it was not mirrored, however much I disagree with the Gaza protests.
Thats a disengenious minimising take.
We have not seen anything like the capitol insurrection in my lifetime in the west.
Nor can I think of a similar in living memory. To downplay it like that is outrageous whomever one votes for.

But only for one parliamentary session and not if it is a) a finance bill and b ) in the government's manifesto i.e.is an election commitment.

😂
Alright, Elon?! 👍😁

The difference seems, to me, to be that you personally support one action or cause but not the other. When actors attached to causes you support disrupt, occupy, protest and burn things - that o.k - it is just legal protest, but when actors you don't support try to do the same in their own way - you say it is an outrageous affront to democracy.

What are your thoughts on America funding Ukraine - that's another 'foreign war', isn't it?

That sort of attitude is part of the problem. Such dismissive, morally certain, attitudes and posturing accelerates polarisation. You need to be able to zoom out, even just for a moment or two, and see the patterns at play.

What do you hope to achieve by being so dismissive? And what will that 'achievement' look like in practice?

That was in response to this post which I had forgotten to quote:

KielderWater · Today 11:48
Of course the Capitol invasion happened but it couldn’t really be considered a serious coup attempt - it was quite clearly destined to fail as there was no support amongst those necessary to ensure a coup - the army or the public structures. It was more of a protest. A concerning one but not a serious coup attempt.

However, it is mirrored on the left by the protests over Gaza (including another occupation of capitol buildings).

There is a difference between people refusing to accept the US election result and storming The Capitol,

and people legally exercising free speech to demonstrate against the US arming of a foreign war, in the Congress building, one of the Capitol buildings, (where the foreign war-wager in question was due to make a speech rallying for more support and arms).

I'm afraid you'll have to be gentle with some of the posters here @honestyISkind, the woke mind virus is raging through them.

Of course the Capitol invasion happened but it couldn’t really be considered a serious coup attempt - it was quite clearly destined to fail as there was no support amongst those necessary to ensure a coup - the army or the public structures. It was more of a protest. A concerning one but not a serious coup attempt.

However, it is mirrored on the left by the protests over Gaza (including another occupation of capitol buildings).

Yep, baffling isn't it.
I mean - some are just clearly too far gone.

The madness that is gripping those young radicals, whereby they are screaming for the destruction of Israel, burning effigies of the leaders of other nations, and burning the American flag itself....... in the same way that Several big American cities have been set alight and left to the forces of chaos, leaving major U.S retail chains to withdrew because the police are now rendered impotent and without control to stop the looting.

'Do good' intentions to 'help' drug addicts by making acessing to drugs easier: creating tent cities full of addicts and human shit on the streets of major cities.

Males taking away awards meant for female athletes, and people cheering this on......violent male predators in female prisons - given free reign; a generation or two of young people told they are in the' wrong body' and that the solution to this is big Pharma and a host of child gender clinics - funded by cross dressing billionnaires in their 50s - some of whom have received top government posts, or who exert undue influence.

You have to have rules and you have to enforce those rules. You have to have limits and you have to respect those limits and those boundaries. And you have to have responsibility... it isn' t just all about 'freedom' and "living your best life".

Theer are people who want to destroy boundaries and push boundaries in the name of fluidity, in the name of internationalism, in the name of openness.......they hate their own country and reject all its established values; they side with the enemies of their own country...and in doing so are forging some unlikely alliances with people and forces who will further de-stabilise their country and the whole world order.

Are we living in a parallel universe where the attack on the Capitol to try and prevent the certification of the election result at the behest of Trump, in which people died, didn’t happen?! And Trump “left office with no threats or issues”? Talk about “post truth” nonsense. How silly.

Well, when the apparent Left are so 'in' with the whole Child Mutilation and Sterilisation ideology, you are handing over the arguments to the Right to win over the Centre.

Oh, and the Lefties that don't want Child Mutilation and Sterilisation.

That's how it works.

You need to understand why he is so popular. Ignoring this, and referring to people as "deplorables" will not make the issues underlying this movement go away. It is the same all over Europe.Fundamentally I think it is about boundaries and borders...literal and metaphorical.

Too much radicalism, too much 'openness' is destabilising. Post modernistic ideas emanating from american university campuses have a lot to answer for.......and their impact is felt all over the rest of the Western world.

So, no actual evidence of any kind then, just what you've been told to believe. Okie doke.

Trump left office with no threats or issues last time

You what?! Are you having a laugh?! 🙄😂
Did you follow his Twitter account? You'd have seen.him.unravelling on there if so.

Both the Labour Party and the Tory party leaders are elected by their party members or elected representatives. They are also not president but ‘first among equals’ as MPs and can be removed from their position via party election. Hardly the same as wealthy party donors telling a sitting president to stand aside.

Oh for goodness' sakes. Are you all up in the Labour Party's face about them replacing candidates? about the Tories because of their arcane rules for selecting a new party leader?

the reality is that Biden could have refused and didn't. Ultimately his choice. They could not make him quit. Yes, it's terrible that money is so influential but if it had just been Pelosi and Schumer you'd still be saying it's undemocratic. The primaries are hardly the best system because some states are so much more influential than others. I didn't vote till June when the whole thing was effectively done, so what use was my vote?

And how did they do that?