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Women's World Matchplay Darts

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FriedGold32 · 21/07/2024 11:46

The "Women's" World Matchplay takes place today, live on Sky Sports from 13:00.

At 13:30, Mikuru Suzuki faces a man, Noa-Lynn van Leuven.

The Independent have prepared for it by printing this pathetic woe-is-me puff piece about him.

inews.co.uk/sport/transgender-darts-star-noa-lynn-van-leuven-bullied-tournament-3180489

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MinistryofMom · 21/07/2024 19:04

Laidbackguy · 21/07/2024 18:57

What advantage does a man have over a woman in darts?

Off the top of my head....
Reach, men are generally taller with longer limbs
Access to practice. Darts is massively male orientated and women face barriers to play & practice.
Power of throw will be greater, so will travel straight and be less likely to fall out & not count.

There will be more but I CBA to google it either @Laidbackguy

Whatever.
They could have zero advantages.
Males dont belong in womens sport.

Edit for random full stop.

Laidbackguy · 21/07/2024 18:57

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 21/07/2024 13:35

FFS. The Independent can go fuck itself.

All the arguments about whether males have any advantage over females in darts (for those wondering, yes they do) are irrelevant here. This is a women's event. By virtue of the fact that Noa-Lynn van Leuven is male, he shouldn't be permitted to compete in this event.

We don't hate you Noa-Lynn. But you know you're male. And we know that you know. You're not, and never will be, a woman. Do the decent thing and stay out of women's sport.

What advantage does a man have over a woman in darts?

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 21/07/2024 18:46

RandySavage · 21/07/2024 17:29

It doesn't matter if he got beaten, he still had an unfair advantage. The advantage gives you an unfair chance, it doesn't guarantee anything.

If someone is given a twenty metre head start in the 100m they still had an advantage even if they come last.

Oh, absolutely agree: 100%. But the hard of understanding find that, well ..... hard to understand 😳

So I'm trying to keep it simple. Let's see if I have any more luck 🙏

RandySavage · 21/07/2024 17:29

It doesn't matter if he got beaten, he still had an unfair advantage. The advantage gives you an unfair chance, it doesn't guarantee anything.

If someone is given a twenty metre head start in the 100m they still had an advantage even if they come last.

WickedSerious · 21/07/2024 16:52

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 21/07/2024 14:33

I hear you @PT. I'm absolutely on board with the fact that the idiots who support this shit will cry: "Look, she doesn't have an unfair advantage: she got beaten".

That's why my current approach is to take a step back from the competitive advantage debate and stick to the simple facts. It's a women's competition and Noa-Lynn van Leuven isn't. A woman.

I was thinking back to the Euros last week and wondering why nobody thought to offer a place to Burkina Faso. They definitely wouldn't have an unfair advantage over the European teams. But they don't get to enter because it's a tournament for European teams. Where's the 'fluffy' Independent article about that? 🤔🤷

Rules are rules,except when they're not.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 21/07/2024 14:33

I hear you @PT. I'm absolutely on board with the fact that the idiots who support this shit will cry: "Look, she doesn't have an unfair advantage: she got beaten".

That's why my current approach is to take a step back from the competitive advantage debate and stick to the simple facts. It's a women's competition and Noa-Lynn van Leuven isn't. A woman.

I was thinking back to the Euros last week and wondering why nobody thought to offer a place to Burkina Faso. They definitely wouldn't have an unfair advantage over the European teams. But they don't get to enter because it's a tournament for European teams. Where's the 'fluffy' Independent article about that? 🤔🤷

PermanentTemporary · 21/07/2024 14:09

Not necessarily. Getting beaten a la Laurel Hubbard is a gift to those who say 'transwomen don't have any advantage and don't dominate'. The fact is that Hubbard took one of only 14 women's weightlifting Olympian slots (ended up being 15 that year because the authorities were so embarrassed that Flowers, the favourite on form and a young woman of colour who'd overcome multiple obstacles in life, had been excluded in favour of the aging child of a weightlifting official, that they gave her a wild card entry). Hubbard is however an Olympian forever. Noa-Lynne is also competing at a high level - that IS dominating. Possibly may also not be very good - we can't be sure, because it may purely be the physical advantage rather than skill which is putting them up at that level.

As always, I wonder how on earth we got here.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 21/07/2024 13:59

Got his arse kicked in the quarter final by Mikuru Suzuki. Who's a woman.

Good news!

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 21/07/2024 13:35

FFS. The Independent can go fuck itself.

All the arguments about whether males have any advantage over females in darts (for those wondering, yes they do) are irrelevant here. This is a women's event. By virtue of the fact that Noa-Lynn van Leuven is male, he shouldn't be permitted to compete in this event.

We don't hate you Noa-Lynn. But you know you're male. And we know that you know. You're not, and never will be, a woman. Do the decent thing and stay out of women's sport.