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Times article Mridul Wadhwa placed on 'leave' in May.

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Mollyollydolly · 20/07/2024 01:07

Well they kept that quiet.

Archive version of The Times article below.

"The chief executive of a rape crisis support centre has been put on leave pending an investigation into its “Kafkaesque” treatment of staff.

Mridul Wadhwa, a man who identifies as a woman, was sent home in May by the board of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) after being identified as the “invisible hand” behind a “heresy hunt” designed to force out Roz Adams, a counsellor with gender-critical views.

The outcry over Wadhwa’s behaviour intensified following the sentencing this week of Cameron Downing, a coercive and manipulative male sex offender, who identified as non-binary and claimed to have received extensive support from ERCC."

archive.ph/y5f2L#selection-2217.0-2225.235

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AzureAnt · 22/07/2024 09:02

Encouraging news. Does this mean somebody has finally grown a pair of balls?
(No pun intended)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/07/2024 08:56

I wonder why they maintained that they were using the Equality Act single sex exception to recruit their staff?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/07/2024 08:55

This bit is fascinating.

So the charity had checks and balances and had members which meant women had power within their own organisation.

Then a bloke stripped all that power and effectively became a mini dictator of the organisation.

Think about the psychology of that.

That doesn't just happen by accident.

Indeed.

RadicalisedPastThePointOfSalvation · 22/07/2024 08:51

“I had to resign from my job because of transphobia and racism” doesn’t sound as great on podcast compared to “I was fired from my job because of transphobia and racism by these white cis women who are in positions of power and we need to dismantle these systems and have more people like me working in these sectors”

I wonder if Deborah Frances White will have MW back on the Guilty Feminist podcast. She was a big champion of them.

Hoardasurass · 22/07/2024 08:49

@Bodeganights I'm not sure either but he would have to apply for citizenship in the UK and give up his Indian citizenship (India don't do duel citizenship) if he qualified.
That he hasn't could be because he doesn't want to or he doesn't qualify we will never know, however it does mean he'll remain both biologically and legally male

WaterThyme · 22/07/2024 08:32

Wadhwa was welcomed as ERCC’s new CEO in May 2021

FrancescaContini · 22/07/2024 08:30

Thanks for the archive link. Good news about the man who was in charge of a rape crisis centre and who claimed that “rape victims need to reframe their trauma”.

MrsFuckerFromLittleWhinging · 22/07/2024 08:18

Thanks WaterThyme for the timeline - v interesting.

When was MW first employed - do you know?

Bodeganights · 22/07/2024 07:29

Hoardasurass · 20/07/2024 10:05

He was born in India and can't get a British GRC unless he has an Indian one first, and in India for a man to get a GRC he must have his bits snipped. So no I really don't think he will be rushing out to get 1

Wondering if now he's been here so long he is naturalized* British? and therefore when labour bring in self id he can get a grc?

I freely admit I've no idea of the process anymore of how to become a British citizen, or if that will make a difference for him.

RedToothBrush · 22/07/2024 07:23

WaterThyme · 22/07/2024 05:17

In 2015 Edinburgh Women’s Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre, as ERCC was then, changed its name to Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre Ltd. A few months later it dropped the Ltd.

In 2022 ERCC changed their articles by a special resolution to stop having members as well as directors. The directors became the only members. Consequently there was no longer a wider membership to control the directors or hold them to account.

This bit is fascinating.

So the charity had checks and balances and had members which meant women had power within their own organisation.

Then a bloke stripped all that power and effectively became a mini dictator of the organisation.

Think about the psychology of that.

That doesn't just happen by accident.

TerfTalking · 22/07/2024 07:18

Interesting Katie Horsburgh changed her name to Katie H. on LinkedIn since she resigned.

She was certainly known as her full name immediately after the tribunal decision because I checked her out.

Meadowwild · 22/07/2024 06:45

He was the one who thought women who had been raped should prioritise educating themselves about their transphobia over focusing on their own wellbeing and trauma in a Rape Crisis counselling session.
That this was endorsed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis was, to me, peak trans misogyny.
Why do we as a society persist in letting narcissistic misogynist males rule over us? When will we learn they are fecking useless at everything except self-promotion and self-gratification?

Hedgehogdetective · 22/07/2024 06:16

highame · 20/07/2024 07:56

I assume Wadhwa will wait to be sacked. If someone has the front to take a woman's job and turn it into a crusade for men to access women's spaces, they're not going to resign.

Also with their ego they will want to play the victim and resigning wouldn’t fit that narrative. “I had to resign from my job because of transphobia and racism” doesn’t sound as great on podcast compared to “I was fired from my job because of transphobia and racism by these white cis women who are in positions of power and we need to dismantle these systems and have more people like me working in these sectors” (but MW doesn’t want that cos then they aren’t special and unique)

ERCC will be playing it as safely as they can because they know MW will try to claim unfair dismissal on the grounds of discrimination, which is most likely the reason why they were never fired from FVRC after it was revealed they had no GRC

WaterThyme · 22/07/2024 06:04

Mridul Wadhwa became CEO of ERCC in 2021.

WaterThyme · 22/07/2024 05:17

In 2015 Edinburgh Women’s Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre, as ERCC was then, changed its name to Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre Ltd. A few months later it dropped the Ltd.

In 2022 ERCC changed their articles by a special resolution to stop having members as well as directors. The directors became the only members. Consequently there was no longer a wider membership to control the directors or hold them to account.

WaterThyme · 22/07/2024 04:49

In 2014 Edinburgh Women’s Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre, as ERCC was then, changed its Objects to include men and boys:

Times article Mridul Wadhwa placed on 'leave' in May.
Catsmere · 22/07/2024 04:10

IwantToRetire · 21/07/2024 01:18

From ERCC listing on Scottish Chaarity Register their listing says:

In particular the Objects shall be:

5.1 to relieve the distress of women, men, boys and girls aged over 12 years who have been raped or who have experienced sexual violence and of their partners, friends and families through the provision of emotional and practical support, information, advice and advocacy; and

5.2 to advance education, through the provision of information, advice and advocacy, among professional bodies and the general public about the causes, nature, extent and effects of rape and sexual violence against women, men, boys and girls aged over 12 years, and ways of preventing or relieving the suffering it causes.

https://www.oscr.org.uk/about-charities/search-the-register/charity-details?number=SC006208

So if this is the original version of the Aims, ie not lately altered to fit events, then effectively they have not been in breach of their constitution.

So they have never claimed to be women only. So it might depend on what they have advertised as how services are provided.

But yes, are still guilty of falsely advertising the vacancy for CEO as being for women only as per SSE.

And also, as the tribunal found discriminated against an employee.

ERCC say they made a public statement about being trans inclusive in 2008 https://www.ercc.scot/trans-inclusion-statement/

Their services page makes no reference to women only services being available https://www.ercc.scot/who-we-support-and-our-services/

Neither of these 2 pages have dates on them.

I wonder what the women who set up the service 40 years ago would think about this.

They've certainly been in breach of the "relieve the distress" part. "Bigot! Reframe your trauma!"

WaterThyme · 22/07/2024 03:55

ERCC was Edinburgh Women’s Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre in 2005 when it was registered as a company at Companies House.

The Objects were

Times article Mridul Wadhwa placed on 'leave' in May.
IwantToRetire · 21/07/2024 17:45

Thank you for that. It was as I suspected.

Please dont take this as "fact". This is what i understood about charity and community groups.

But as we are finding out over and over again, those who should be enforcing regulations seem more than willing to not intervene when it suits their personal agenda, or the agenda of a pressure group.

I think this is why we are seeing so many issues going to court / tribunal to say by the rules you the employer set up you are in the wrong.

And as we know its not just in the charity sector.

Its happens in news providers, sports, and so on.

The issue that ERCC had to deal with of balancing user's rights over employee rights is exactly the sort of think that Rape Crisis Scotland as the co-ordinator of the federation of rape crisis services in Scotland should have instigated some sort of consultation.

Not sure that any of the different federations of Rape Crisis Services and Domestic Violence services in any of the 4 nations in the UK have provided guidance on.

And in fact it is interesting, when so many of them are prepared to issue statements about all sorts of other things, eg the police, footballers, social media, that none of them have as far as I know responded to the recent guidance from the EHRC as to when the SSE exemptions really are about sex, and not just about being "female"!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/07/2024 09:52

Not foregtting the other group that claims to represent women's services in the charity sector in Scotland (sorry again name doesnt come to mind)

Engender?

Faffertea · 21/07/2024 09:33

IwantToRetire · 20/07/2024 17:35

What I’m wondering is who holds a board of trustees to account?

This should be the charity commission (not sure what it is called in Scotland) and the funders, and if not held to account by Rape Crisis Scotland there are serious grounds for cancelling their membership of the federation which is meant to imply any federated group is competent and professional.

However, at the time of MW appointment, not only did some of us contact the Scottish Charity commission but also funders. None of whom took any notice what so ever. And I dont think this is because they have all been transed but many funders and charity overseers just do not relate to, bother to understand or respect women.

Not foregtting the other group that claims to represent women's services in the charity sector in Scotland (sorry again name doesnt come to mind) at a large meeting all applauded a woman being thrown out to the meeting for daring to challenge Nicola Sturgeon about sex being biological etc.. (The SNP had stipulated that groups in receipt of funding should be trans inclusive.)

So when the whole climate created by those with power is one that not only just doesn't listen to women but also derides them it is quite clear that those promoting the trans agenda think they can not be challenged.

Thank you for that. It was as I suspected.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/07/2024 09:14

YY. But it's clear from what Roz said which can be read in Tribunal Tweets that they were running it as a "women plus" organisation and claimed to employ "no men in their staff or volunteers". That was the reply Wadhwa directed to be given to the woman that wanted to know the sex of her counsellor.

It's more recently been changed to "all survivors" so taking in all men and this is what I mentioned that was brought up in court. I imagine at that point they had to change both their charity registration and their website. They ran a project for young survivors of both sexes (since 2014, before it was just women and girls) but that seems to have been separate.

This idea that the woman category includes all trans and non binary people of both sexes (based on self ID) is not exclusive to them. It's the same approach the Green Party takes.

BezMills · 21/07/2024 07:47

Katie and Miren were clearly used to shield MW from giving evidence, and iirc didn't cover themselves in glory during proceedings. They were given the task of defending the indefensible.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/07/2024 03:01

As she believed, they were relying on the SSE exception in their hiring practices.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/07/2024 03:00

This is Katie Horsburgh, she resigned shortly afterwards, as did Miren Sague

x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1749448635689869732?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

KM - no, we use the exemption and only employ women.
NC - but you accept that anyone who says they are a woman is a woman
KM - we need to properly apply the exemption, we would need to see their passport for example.
NC - moving on - C's email to AB, asking about how to