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Review of suicides and gender dysphoria at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust

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Signalbox · 19/07/2024 16:39

Some very good news. Transpires that Jolyon's claim of increased suicides since puberty blockers were banned is incorrect.

Review of Suicides and Gender Dysphoria at the Tavi and Portman NHS Trust: Independent Report.

By Professor Louis Appleby, University of Manchester
Department of Health and Social Care adviser on suicide prevention

Aim of this review
I have reviewed data provided by NHS England (NHSE) on suicides by young patients of the gender services at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust, based on an audit at the trust. The specific aim is to examine evidence for a large rise in suicides claimed by campaigners.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report

Review of suicides and gender dysphoria at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust: independent report

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report

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SlipperyLizard · 20/07/2024 05:58

JoMo is so deep into the cult that even a slap
down by the Government doesn’t make him pause for thought, it just provokes another Twitter mega-thread.

Even if he disagrees with the numbers, the criticism for his irresponsible reporting/use of suicide for his own agenda should have stung if he had any self-awareness.

He says the Samaritans didn’t respond, and takes that as further proof that he’s right rather than perhaps the Samaritans are taking this review rather more seriously than him.

Good to see a quote from LGB Alliance in the Guardian, though.

SidewaysOtter · 19/07/2024 22:59

Dear old Joly does seem in need of a biccy and a blanket. And possibly an emotional support dog.

NotBadConsidering · 19/07/2024 22:57

Signalbox · 19/07/2024 21:38

There must be a data source for his claim. Why doesn’t he provide the evidence? Or is it just anecdotal?

Only you can see the figments of your own imagination.

lonelywater · 19/07/2024 22:30

INeedAPensieve · 19/07/2024 22:11

Him and Sophie Molly would be an interesting team...

these nutters really do think they are possessed of the righteous truth, dont they? they all loudly proclaim their batshit notions as if they are competing in a mentalist olympics for the gold medal.

SquirrelSoShiny · 19/07/2024 22:21

Does BBC really think today was the day to write their usual wankery about Drag Queens?

Seriously BBC? I mean was this supposed to be you throwing a bone to the TQI+ after actually doing your job for a change and writing a serious news article about the dangers of TRAs?

INeedAPensieve · 19/07/2024 22:11

lonelywater · 19/07/2024 21:58

does the man have no friends who can stage an intervention? Long since past time he was dragged off stage left with a shepherds crook (a la Cosmo Smallpiece-one for the teenagers there). The man is stark, staring bonkers.

Him and Sophie Molly would be an interesting team...

lonelywater · 19/07/2024 21:58

does the man have no friends who can stage an intervention? Long since past time he was dragged off stage left with a shepherds crook (a la Cosmo Smallpiece-one for the teenagers there). The man is stark, staring bonkers.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/07/2024 21:50

Mmmnotsure · 19/07/2024 21:43

Try to get over the shock, @Theeyeballsinthesky Life at the BBC is likely to continue as normal...

The top Features item in the bar opposite that article is really important: 'Drag queens feel the pinch of rising costs'. Much needed, especially as it might be more than, what, 24 hours now since we had a drag queen story?

Hah! Missed this 😂

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/07/2024 21:49

Theeyeballsinthesky · 19/07/2024 20:20

I thought the BBC had important reporting about drag queens to do rather than reporting this?

Mmmnotsure · 19/07/2024 21:43

Theeyeballsinthesky · 19/07/2024 20:20

Try to get over the shock, @Theeyeballsinthesky Life at the BBC is likely to continue as normal...

The top Features item in the bar opposite that article is really important: 'Drag queens feel the pinch of rising costs'. Much needed, especially as it might be more than, what, 24 hours now since we had a drag queen story?

Signalbox · 19/07/2024 21:38

PriOn1 · 19/07/2024 21:29

I don’t know how much truth there is in Jolyon’s claim of an increase in deaths of children on waiting lists, but even if there is an increase in the death rate, without information regarding what caused those deaths, it is dangerous speculation to use them as some kind of “gotcha” by the unproven claim that it was caused by the ban on puberty blockers.

Apart from any other considerations, during that period there was a worldwide pandemic, with lockdowns which likely worsened the mental health problems of many young people and made it harder to access care of any type.

As was mentioned upthread, irrational parents and children are buying illegal medications from the internet.

The most sickening thing is that this is a manufactured psychological phenomenon, where children are being told they are likely to commit suicide if they don’t get their way. If there was a natural phenomenon, where children were so distressed about their sex that they committed suicide, it would have been recognized long ago. If there has been a rise in suicide, it is manufactured by those who are pushing the medical model of child transition.

There must be a data source for his claim. Why doesn’t he provide the evidence? Or is it just anecdotal?

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PriOn1 · 19/07/2024 21:29

I don’t know how much truth there is in Jolyon’s claim of an increase in deaths of children on waiting lists, but even if there is an increase in the death rate, without information regarding what caused those deaths, it is dangerous speculation to use them as some kind of “gotcha” by the unproven claim that it was caused by the ban on puberty blockers.

Apart from any other considerations, during that period there was a worldwide pandemic, with lockdowns which likely worsened the mental health problems of many young people and made it harder to access care of any type.

As was mentioned upthread, irrational parents and children are buying illegal medications from the internet.

The most sickening thing is that this is a manufactured psychological phenomenon, where children are being told they are likely to commit suicide if they don’t get their way. If there was a natural phenomenon, where children were so distressed about their sex that they committed suicide, it would have been recognized long ago. If there has been a rise in suicide, it is manufactured by those who are pushing the medical model of child transition.

ArabellaScott · 19/07/2024 20:42

Mirahelp · 19/07/2024 19:53

As the mother of a vulnerable barely over 18 who has purchased hormones online on the flimsiest of self diagnosis with zero medical oversight I am grimly pleased to see both Webberley & Maugham slapped down today.

Wishing you and your family well. Flowers

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/07/2024 20:40

Not until Wes Streeting is more interested in what you want than the billionaires

I imagine that's a dig at JKR.

MixieMatchie · 19/07/2024 20:37

Side note, but I only just realised (after googling "what is a mass die-in") that it doesn't actually mean a mass suicide - just protestors basically lying on the floor having a toddler tantrum. Not sure if the tipping of human ashes is also a recognised form of protest - ah, OK, Google tells me this was done in 1992 at the White House regarding AIDS.

Jolyon seems to have a very active imagination, believing that government ministers are going to be cursing Streeting as they constantly dodge "dead" protestors and the actual ashes of children thrown by their parents. "Damnit Wes, I don't know what this trans stuff is all about, but I'm tired of getting ash in my eye - can you rein it in before the government topples?"

ArabellaScott · 19/07/2024 20:36

Signalbox · 19/07/2024 20:13

Oh God he's still going. I thought he'd finished!

Alas.

GailBlancheViola · 19/07/2024 20:24

It is very hard to balance campaigning to protect the most targeted and vulnerable in the country from wicked ideologues. And to none of us is it given always to get the balance right. But failing to speak of the harm that ideology generates is not the answer

Very true JM, the ideology you support, promote and push onto vulnerable children is wicked as are you for doing what you are doing.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/07/2024 20:23

ArabellaScott · 19/07/2024 20:07

'32. I want to promise to those many, many trans people and families who thank me for my advocacy: I am not going away. Not until Wes Streeting is more interested in what you want than the billionaires and the right wing media he so transparently courts.

  1. Where, as will be the case, I have got the balance wrong, to the trans community I apologise. This is a tough tough job: facing down the Trumps and the Putins and the Murdochs and the billionaire and the Rothermeres. And now, devastatingly, a Labour Health Secretary too.

Have you noticed how all the wrong people are clapping, Keir? (All tweets in my personal capacity.)'

"The wrong People"......all the baddies.

Jolyon's father issues are expressing themselves loudly and clearly.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 19/07/2024 20:20

BBC report

https://x.com/bbcnews/status/1814358296544870894?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg

RantyMcRanterton · 19/07/2024 20:19

Goodness me, the heat has got to him, I think.

GailBlancheViola · 19/07/2024 20:17

ArabellaScott · 19/07/2024 20:07

'32. I want to promise to those many, many trans people and families who thank me for my advocacy: I am not going away. Not until Wes Streeting is more interested in what you want than the billionaires and the right wing media he so transparently courts.

  1. Where, as will be the case, I have got the balance wrong, to the trans community I apologise. This is a tough tough job: facing down the Trumps and the Putins and the Murdochs and the billionaire and the Rothermeres. And now, devastatingly, a Labour Health Secretary too.

Have you noticed how all the wrong people are clapping, Keir? (All tweets in my personal capacity.)'

Just what now? JM truly has delusions of grandeur and is completely embedded in the ideology.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/07/2024 20:16

PurpleSparkledPixie · 19/07/2024 19:25

I cant read Twitter. Has anything been said about him and Cass being best mates yet and that's why they are being soooo mean?

Didn't you know they are both on the Tufton Street payroll..... and secret nazis to boot?

Signalbox · 19/07/2024 20:13

ArabellaScott · 19/07/2024 20:07

'32. I want to promise to those many, many trans people and families who thank me for my advocacy: I am not going away. Not until Wes Streeting is more interested in what you want than the billionaires and the right wing media he so transparently courts.

  1. Where, as will be the case, I have got the balance wrong, to the trans community I apologise. This is a tough tough job: facing down the Trumps and the Putins and the Murdochs and the billionaire and the Rothermeres. And now, devastatingly, a Labour Health Secretary too.

Have you noticed how all the wrong people are clapping, Keir? (All tweets in my personal capacity.)'

Oh God he's still going. I thought he'd finished!

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BettyFilous · 19/07/2024 20:09

Oh God, is he still going?

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