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Council worker sacked over pronouns

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mcduffy · 17/07/2024 18:48

Can't do a share token as telegraph

The worker has lost a tribunal

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/17/gender-critical-council-employee-sacked-over-pronouns

A “gender critical” council worker was sacked after protesting the use of pronouns on his email signaturee_.
James Orwin was left furious when Caroline Lacey, the council’s chief executive, invited employees to “consider adding pronouns to your email signaturee_, should you wish to do so”.
In “protest”, Mr Orwin, an IT project officer, changed his email footer to “XYchromosomeGuy/AdultHumanMale” rather than he/himm_.

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CorruptedCauldron · 17/07/2024 18:57

Yes, I’d be up in arms for him if he’d been compelled to state his pronouns. He wasn’t though, it was optional, so there was no need for him to kick off about it.

ByLoudSeal · 17/07/2024 18:57

I often feel uncomfortable in my own body, extremely uncomfortable, but that is because I am autistic. I never considered that I might be trans, and I never will. This promotion of trans-identity and use of pronouns confuses a lot of autistics And can lead to them, taking permanently life changing and body altering medications to change their “gender”.

WickedSerious · 17/07/2024 18:56

Every employee should've gone for Juan/cur.

popeydokey · 17/07/2024 18:56

He was suspended and eventually sacked after repeatedly refusing to remove his protest pronouns

There we go then. It wasn't just 'not displaying them'.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 17/07/2024 18:55

Basically he was fired for being an arse when asked to remove

The judge said the implementation of the policy was “poorly thought through and badly executed”, but added: “However, this does not detract from our conclusion that the purpose and intention of the policy was to comply with [the council]’s public sector equality duty.”
Given Mr Orwin’s refusal to change the footer, the judge concluded that the council had been left with “no choice” but to dismiss him.
Dismissing his claims of discrimination, he said: “None of the treatment he experienced was because of his beliefs or expression of beliefs. The treatment – all arising from hi’s refusal to remove the email signature – was because he used a provocative email sign off that was not acceptable to [the council].”

HoppityBun · 17/07/2024 18:55

I never understand why names that are obviously male or female have to have the pronoun added. In what circumstances would James be a she? I suppose he could be a they? Or an it? If you’re living as the contradictory gender, wouldn’t you change your name, too, to fit? There was that bank worker who changed gender weekly, I suppose

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Janie143 · 17/07/2024 18:52

I wonder if he represented himself so didn't have the benefit of a SHL.

popeydokey · 17/07/2024 18:52

Can't read properly as it's a paywall but I assume it's because he was arsey about it, not that he didn't want to display any pronouns.

They were only asked to 'consider it' too - doesn't look like it was actually required - so he's acted pretty unprofessionally (on the basis of the few sentences in the OP).