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Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?

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CantDealwithChristmas · 17/07/2024 12:46

Jolyon 'fox killer' Maugham has been on one for 6 days straight now. It all started with Streeting's PBs ban and ratcheted up when JoMo sent Streeting a list of 25 questions which Streeting ignored - and on a Sunday too. As of yesterday JoMo, a KC (though Guido Fawkes reported his licence expired in May), was encouraging people to break the law by accessing banned PB drugs from abroad. As of today he has well and truly jumped the shark with the below, horrible post on X.

My question to this board is why do TRAs feel the need to ratchet up the emotional temperature of the debate so high? Why do they so quickly devolve the conversation to death and suicide? It's an ugly strain that runs right through all TRA talking points. I personally think TRA is an eschatological cult and the focus on death is a intrinsic part of that. Others may think it's all about emotional blackmail.

Either way, please use this thread to discuss JoMo, Streeting's unaccounably cruel ignoring of him, and TRA emotional hysteria / threats in general at this crucial time just after the PB ban was announced.

EDIT - could not upload the screenshot of JoMo's post but it reads as follows:

"And don't underestimate the political tail of Wes Streeting's decision. His colleagues will slowly be coming to terms with him locking them into a future of bereaved parents tipping ashes outside Number 10 and a revival of mass die-ins wherever they go."

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Brainworm · 22/07/2024 08:25

People are complex and multifaceted. It is overly simplistic to suggest all those who are committed to trans rights and believe TWAW are not decent, intelligent or ethical.

The world isn't made up of goodies and baddies and those who are either 'with us' or 'against us'.

I often wonder how people can go from admiring someone like Julie Bindel for her life long work supporting women to thinking of her as an evil bigot because she doesn't believe TWAW.

It is in this vein that I challenge those with GC views not to dismiss those claiming TWAW who have positive feminist track records in other areas.

PregnantWithHorrors · 22/07/2024 08:17

Igneococcus · 22/07/2024 06:07

Brilliantly written, and of course Libby carries considerable moral authority on the subject too. I can imagine it must be particularly painful for her to see the bullshit suicide claims.

DrBlackbird · 22/07/2024 07:59

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 21/07/2024 12:13

I'm genuinely surprised at the number of intelligent, ethical, decent people who do. For many of the reasons discussed on FWR across many thousands of threads, this seems to be a topic with its own rules and contagion.

Absolutely agree. The successful strategy of those pushing for GI was to a) team it with LGB and especially to b) propagate the suicide claims. That’s why JM’s claims are so damaging and despicable.

The strategy worked such that my intelligent, ethical and decent colleagues who advocate for social justice more generally are the ones who have firmly supported the cause. They likely (hopefully) don’t actually believe TWAW, but support TW/TM to the point of believing that TW ought to be considered as women ie having access to DV refuge.

What’s clear is none of these colleagues have DC at risk from GI and/or have not heard about the many instances of ‘it couldn’t happen’ that get recorded in these threads. Until reading JKR’s essay, I too assumed that when we spoke about TW, we were talking about someone who had fully transitioned including surgery a la Jan Morris.

No wonder ‘no debate’ and no reporting thanks to the BBC’s capture was so important because the increasing cases of men with a fetish or predatory males exploiting the loophole would - and hopefully will - give the intelligent and ethical people pause for thought.

Mmmnotsure · 21/07/2024 23:21

There is a Twix account @ Unity_MoT with some interesting observations re the accuracy of the 30+ tweets (and JM/trans statistics generally). You also get this, in response to JM taking on the Putins etc:

"TBF, I wouldn’t mind being a fly on the wall when the KGB tries to explain Jolly Foxbatterer to Vlad the Defenestrator, if only to find how to say ‘You fucking what???’ in Russian, but Maugham's descent into delusions of global importance are beyond the scope of this thread and more a matter for a competent psychiatrist."

EveDeservesBetter · 21/07/2024 23:13

EsmaCannonball · 21/07/2024 13:45

We currently have a Foreign Secretary who has publicly stated that men can grow a cervix.

I don't believe that David Lammy is actually stupid but he's just an egregious example of someone with power having influence on this issue without having devoted to it one second of thought.

Nah, he is pretty stupid.

Lammy I haven't seen the police while I've been here 🙄 😂

Lammy complaining about no police officers on the streets and there's one stood behind him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un7ORK28WZc

Userxyd · 21/07/2024 23:07

@OldCrone @Catsmere @theilltemperedclavecinist thankyou that makes sense 👍

SidewaysOtter · 21/07/2024 22:30

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/07/2024 19:49

Just looked up Montecito and its list of notable residents. Could explain why JM has gone SPARE over this issue ...

Oh you absolutely know it’ll be Montecito’s most oppressed inhabitant. Never one to miss a grift.

misscockerspaniel · 21/07/2024 21:25

RoyalCorgi · 21/07/2024 19:53

Oh god, yes! Harry and Meghan! That's it! Meghan Markle is Jolyon's secret admirer!

No way - neither of them would know how Parliament works ("Select Committee" let alone be able to name Wes Streeting). I suspect that JM wrote it himself. Mind you, it is so funny I wonder if JKR sent it 😀

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/07/2024 20:23

Totally plausible.

Scared Boy Meets World GIF
RoyalCorgi · 21/07/2024 19:53

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/07/2024 19:49

Just looked up Montecito and its list of notable residents. Could explain why JM has gone SPARE over this issue ...

Oh god, yes! Harry and Meghan! That's it! Meghan Markle is Jolyon's secret admirer!

RoyalCorgi · 21/07/2024 19:51

I know, Dean. I'm going to be laughing at the "real time public justice advocacy," "I feel humbled" and "makes your leadership all the more exceptional" for months to come.

Also, much appreciation to Critical for "Gents toilets, Waterloo" and "Park Bench, Westward Ho" as well as the others.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/07/2024 19:49

Just looked up Montecito and its list of notable residents. Could explain why JM has gone SPARE over this issue ...

DeanElderberry · 21/07/2024 19:44

O M G I've only just read the 'message of support'. . . one of the most amazing pieces of real time public justice advocacy I have seen in recent time . . .

I can't

teawamutu · 21/07/2024 19:41

Citrusandginger · 21/07/2024 19:39

OMG MontecitO

Who needs the Cass report when they have their own truths.

If it is, I'd be redacting, too. Their approval is the last thing you need in the battle for hearts and minds.

Hearts, anyway. Minds are a lost cause.

Citrusandginger · 21/07/2024 19:39

OMG MontecitO

Who needs the Cass report when they have their own truths.

DeanElderberry · 21/07/2024 19:34

County Mayo

RoyalCorgi · 21/07/2024 19:33

North Shore Beach, Llandudno

RoyalCorgi · 21/07/2024 19:30

Big Texan Steak Ranch, Amarillo?

CriticalCondition · 21/07/2024 19:23

Park bench, Westward Ho?
Plymouth Wilko?
Oxford Street Uniqlo?

CriticalCondition · 21/07/2024 19:17

Brighton Pride, Fabuloso?
Zuckerberg Towers, San Francisco?
Gents toilets, Waterloo?

BabaYagasHouse · 21/07/2024 19:11

Maldon, Essex Tesco?
Casino de Monte Carlo?
Grimsby Gala Bingo?
South Norfolk Radio?

My Ford Mondeo?

ghislaine · 21/07/2024 18:18

RoyalCorgi · 21/07/2024 16:41

There are two words, as far as I can tell (unless it's one very long word split over two lines). And as it says "I observe your campaigns from blank blank" that suggests it's a well-known address. Like Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle or the White House. So assuming that is an o at the end we just have to think of an address that ends in o.

Other possibility is it's the name of a town or country, eg "I observe your campaigns from Santa Monica" or "I observe your campaigns from Bognor Regis".

Broadmoor?
Loch Ness?
Our house?

PregnantWithHorrors · 21/07/2024 17:03

That man desperately needs to spend some time off the internet.

RoyalCorgi · 21/07/2024 16:41

duc748 · 20/07/2024 23:52

So 8 letters (probably), ends in 'o'?

There are two words, as far as I can tell (unless it's one very long word split over two lines). And as it says "I observe your campaigns from blank blank" that suggests it's a well-known address. Like Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle or the White House. So assuming that is an o at the end we just have to think of an address that ends in o.

Other possibility is it's the name of a town or country, eg "I observe your campaigns from Santa Monica" or "I observe your campaigns from Bognor Regis".