Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?

I first came across him and followed him when he was protesting about Brexit and he was then saying sensible things. I think he got a taste for the limelight and obviously has skin in the game on trans stuff so has moved over into activism. He's clearly unhinged and if anything, he's helping Wes Streeting's cause.

I think it’s just as likely someone will harm others seriously as harm themselves. It’s so irresponsible. And I think the contagion works in both directions - by destabilising some of those drawn to gender ideology, but also attracting unstable personalities who find meaning in gender.

And others have said there are now too many people in influential positions with too much personally invested and the cost to them of being wrong is too high. Very difficult to deprogram these people, all you can do is deprive them of attention or influence (says I, on a thread, giving one of them attention!). Jolyon is a very amusing though when he’s not melting down about trans issues. So much preening smuggery, that any satirist would rejoice at such a creation.

Power and control wheel, anyone?

www.theduluthmodel.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/PowerandControl.pdf

Tbf to JM he's not alone in this. It's the instant go to for the tras if they don't get their way, usually with a side helping of telling gender confused kids that everyone (except the tras) hates them and wants them to die. Very cultist behaviour, which is dv writ large.

Edited to add

I suspect anyone who been in or witnessed a relationship involving coercive and controlling behaviour will recognise this.

This is scary. @Dumbo12 and @fromorbit you are spot on. An abusive man ranting. Most people will see him for what he is. I'm concerned at the vulnerable children he is effectively ordering to commit suicide

It's unnerving to see someone unravel in front of your eyes, I've said before it's like he is in the grip of religious fervor and has lost all ability to be rational.

At least streeting, starmer, etc will now appreciate just how extreme even the reasonable face of transactivism is.

It also worries me that activists on Reddit etc are saying there is no social contagion in anything at all, including anorexia, suicide etc. Social contagion is very much associated with suicide ideation.

It makes me wonder if anyone might ever be encouraged to martyr themselves for the cause?

The scary thing is that I personally believe a minority of trans rights activists are happy for this to happen. There are some very malign influences.

Die ins and tipping ashes outside political offices were tactics used by AIDS campaigners, particularly in the US, to protest at lack of healthcare for victims of the AIDS pandemic.

The appropropriation of the suffering of AIDS victims and their families by him is pretty vile IMO.

"JM's meltdown was inevitable because he did a medical experiment on his own kid and can't face the truth."

This. Jo has skin in this game and remember what Helen Joyce said about this. These people cannot ever backtrack because to do so will mean that they have harmed their children. Paraphrased.

JM's meltdown was inevitable because he did a medical experiment on his own kid and can't face the truth.

We are going to see a LOT more of this. It is a sign we are winning, too slowly, but winning.

However we need to stand back and acknowledge how much JM has helped the pro-woman cause in the UK. Yes we could have done it without him, but it would have been way more difficult

Remember this is the TRAs top lawyer. Let him grift as much money as he can only to fail in court utterly. He has never won a gender case in fact he sets them back. He has crowdfunded 8 gender cases since 2000 none have won and that has wasted over 600k. That money could have been used in far more dangerous ways.
https://labourpainsblog.com/2024/06/07/good-law-project-jolyon-loses-the-plot-over-puberty-blockers-ban/

Because he fails so much the credibility of the TRA cause in the UK legal and medical profession is plummeting. Meanwhile GC cases stack up wins.

In the US the TRAs have some competent lawyers. The fightback there is way way more difficult.

His latest gambit attacking Streeting is invaluable to us. Yes confirm Streeting's thoughts that TRAs are insane.

Every time he rants he makes random people think. "Maybe JKR was right".

Operation Let Them Speak has never worked better.

The upside is that responsible adults might read what he wrote and be enlightened - but in the meantime how much harm is his over the top rhetoric doing to actual children genuinely distressed and needing support and perspective rather than a giant-sized helping of crazy?

It makes me wonder if anyone might ever be encouraged to martyr themselves for the cause? I truly hope not. But the combination of hysteria and vulnerable young people is not a good one. Mass die ins??

I agree.

Any time a man, who believes in his own superiority, is shown to be incorrect, he ramps up the hyperbole. This is very reminiscent of the abusive man who, when called out on his abuse, then threatens to kill himself and the kids. It is all about control, all about making people do as the man wants.

This.

I saw that piece too about Jonestown, and yes, it came to mind reading JoMo's increasingly crazy utterances.

He really doesn't seem well. I feel sorry for his poor wife and kids.

This thread?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5117354-5117354-wrong-bodies-documentary-on-twitter

I recommend watching the video.

https://x.com/wrongbodies/status/1811125941541687316?s=19

I think it's only on twitter, but you don't need to sign in to watch it.

We are witnessing evangelical fury in real time. Condemnation and wrath. He must be punished and punished he shall be. So sayeth the righteous.

Repent, sinners!

Wow. Someone posted a thread on here a few days ago with a film (Skirt goes spinney was in corner of video) on Twitter and I watched it. It started and finished with tragic awful commentary on Jonestown cult and pictures of the huge numbers of dead people and children. I thought at the time - ok I get the cult connection but not sure it’s directly relevant - but Jolyon’s tweet suggests the filmmakers choice was way more accurate than I perceived it to be. He’s never read the media suicide reporting guidelines has he? It’s almost like he can’t wait for the mass suicides to begin. Horrible. If he has gender confused children I feel for them - there’s no way back for them if they change their mind

What little I've learnt of him says hyper hysterical unhinged rants are his thing.