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Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?

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CantDealwithChristmas · 17/07/2024 12:46

Jolyon 'fox killer' Maugham has been on one for 6 days straight now. It all started with Streeting's PBs ban and ratcheted up when JoMo sent Streeting a list of 25 questions which Streeting ignored - and on a Sunday too. As of yesterday JoMo, a KC (though Guido Fawkes reported his licence expired in May), was encouraging people to break the law by accessing banned PB drugs from abroad. As of today he has well and truly jumped the shark with the below, horrible post on X.

My question to this board is why do TRAs feel the need to ratchet up the emotional temperature of the debate so high? Why do they so quickly devolve the conversation to death and suicide? It's an ugly strain that runs right through all TRA talking points. I personally think TRA is an eschatological cult and the focus on death is a intrinsic part of that. Others may think it's all about emotional blackmail.

Either way, please use this thread to discuss JoMo, Streeting's unaccounably cruel ignoring of him, and TRA emotional hysteria / threats in general at this crucial time just after the PB ban was announced.

EDIT - could not upload the screenshot of JoMo's post but it reads as follows:

"And don't underestimate the political tail of Wes Streeting's decision. His colleagues will slowly be coming to terms with him locking them into a future of bereaved parents tipping ashes outside Number 10 and a revival of mass die-ins wherever they go."

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lonelywater · 17/07/2024 23:45

Datun · 17/07/2024 23:39

Where the fuck is the evidence of his claim of the massive increase in suicide since the Bell decision?

How can he imagine, even in his wildest dreams, that anyone can take him seriously with all this hinting, and suggesting, and the NHS is suppressing it, but fuck all evidence?

Child suicides are recorded, and available as public information, as far as I'm aware.

So why isn't he showing it?

because, like all these nutters, they just make it up as they go along. If you actually believe people can change sex then even the very notion of stuff like proof or evidence is distinctly optional.

Datun · 17/07/2024 23:39

Where the fuck is the evidence of his claim of the massive increase in suicide since the Bell decision?

How can he imagine, even in his wildest dreams, that anyone can take him seriously with all this hinting, and suggesting, and the NHS is suppressing it, but fuck all evidence?

Child suicides are recorded, and available as public information, as far as I'm aware.

So why isn't he showing it?

lonelywater · 17/07/2024 23:36

apropos of nothing much, I personally spent an evening in the company of Jolyon, about 15 years ago. As to how or why that came about does not really matter but he was then, at least as far as I could tell, an entirely affable, sensible and reasonable bloke. I guess the mentalism kicked in at some much later stage.

AlexaAdventuress · 17/07/2024 22:45

. . .beyond reasonable doubt.

duc748 · 17/07/2024 22:44

Violetparis · 17/07/2024 22:32

I think his boasting on twitter that he battered a fox to death shows how unhinged he is !

Well it started with that, but he's another one of those who people who, every times they open their mouths, you like them a little less. In his case, the matter is decided.

Violetparis · 17/07/2024 22:32

I think his boasting on twitter that he battered a fox to death shows how unhinged he is !

ginandbearit · 17/07/2024 22:25

If JM does have a transgender child you can bet he's delighted for the opportunity to grandstand as a voice of the voiceless and be a preening saviour for the most oppressed class ever . He's an attention seeking opportunist cushioned by wealth and a deep love of himself.

S1lverCandle · 17/07/2024 22:15

FannyCann · 17/07/2024 21:28

I recently finished reading Lethal White by Robert Galbraith.
I'm pretty sure JKR was onto Jolyon a long time ago and had a sly dig at him.
Meet Jamie Maugham, a "quite" successful QC with a smoothly porcine face who gets rilly rilly angry when someone disagrees with him. Grin

😁

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 17/07/2024 22:09

Hepwo · 17/07/2024 22:04

Why do older men want young boys to be made pretty enough for them to pretend they are girls in this way?

Mini adults frozen in a childlike stasis.

It is truly a mystery what some men see in this. Or why they lobby so hard for it.

I guess we shall never find out.

Hepwo · 17/07/2024 22:04

Why do older men want young boys to be made pretty enough for them to pretend they are girls in this way?

Helleofabore · 17/07/2024 21:49

ButterflyHatched · 17/07/2024 18:58

Oh this is fun.

Would you ban an enhanced treatment protocol that had been given decades of large scale well documented studies and was, through the combination of leading new technologies, able to completely, reliably and safely reverse pubertal physiological changes without the developmental time pressure factor?

Can you explain what the new technologies were that completely, reliably and safely reverse pubertal physiological changes? Because this sounds like serious misinformation.

What technologies and exactly what was ‘reversed’ safely or not?

Held off? Maybe partly. Reversed? Please supply evidence of this, else I suspect it is a dangerous and harmful claim.

FrancescaContini · 17/07/2024 21:46

The fox killer’s post is really nasty, with its ashes and mass die-ins. Quite sick.

EsmaCannonball · 17/07/2024 21:46

I've no idea what a 'mass die-in' is, let alone how they could see a revival.

I hope he's writing another autohagiography, just so we can all enjoy reading the reviews again.

Helleofabore · 17/07/2024 21:43

Citrusandginger · 17/07/2024 19:46

I would recommend reflecting on the impact of suddenly removing the sole legal means of treating a preventable source of intense lifelong distress without providing any alternative option in any other area of healthcare

And I would recommend finding out what is really causing the intense distress. And treating it.

Alas, this is not recommended by some extreme trans activists.

mrshoho · 17/07/2024 21:42

CantDealwithChristmas · 17/07/2024 12:49

EDIT - could not upload the screenshot of JoMo's post but it reads as follows:

"And don't underestimate the political tail of Wes Streeting's decision. His colleagues will slowly be coming to terms with him locking them into a future of bereaved parents tipping ashes outside Number 10 and a revival of mass die-ins wherever they go."

Gosh the depths a grown adult will scrape to is really fucking grim. This man had the privilege of experiencing puberty and going through his teenage years. You get one childhood in this life. It is adults that have put these impossible possibilities into their heads and it needs to stop.

SidewaysOtter · 17/07/2024 21:42

If Jolyon has a “trans” child, is he staring down the barrel of having to accept that he has not done the right thing in allowing them to transition? I should imagine that is hard for any parent to accept, let alone one who is making career hay while the trans rights sun shines and also - to go by his TwiX ravings and fox beatings - has a nasty streak you could see from space.

Far, far easier to double down and hope he can keep going, like the Roadrunner who has gone off the cliff and running on nothing.

quixote9 · 17/07/2024 21:38

They do it at least partly because it's worked well for them. In the US it's still working. The Biden administration finally, recently, said maybe gender change surgery for minors needed more thought. It's fine for over-18s, they hastened to add. TRAs had a pile-on, today the Administration backtracked. I don't blame the Admin. Trans issues in the US are totally in the tank for TWAW, all affirmation all the time. Repubs making hay with it, of course.

All I can say is I'm glad the UK has more respect for evidence!

FannyCann · 17/07/2024 21:28

I recently finished reading Lethal White by Robert Galbraith.
I'm pretty sure JKR was onto Jolyon a long time ago and had a sly dig at him.
Meet Jamie Maugham, a "quite" successful QC with a smoothly porcine face who gets rilly rilly angry when someone disagrees with him. Grin

Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?
mach2 · 17/07/2024 21:00

Jolyon will eventually run out of other people's money and be beaten to death by a gang of urban foxes.

OldCrone · 17/07/2024 20:53

ButterflyHatched · 17/07/2024 18:58

Oh this is fun.

Would you ban an enhanced treatment protocol that had been given decades of large scale well documented studies and was, through the combination of leading new technologies, able to completely, reliably and safely reverse pubertal physiological changes without the developmental time pressure factor?

Why would anyone want to "completely, reliably and safely reverse pubertal physiological changes"? Pubertal changes are what changes a child into an adult.

I can think of one reason why some people (mainly male) might want to do this to young people. But we shouldn't be encouraging them.

Omlettes · 17/07/2024 20:38

CantDealwithChristmas · 17/07/2024 12:51

Personally I think he's been smoking too much copium.

😂
Presumably in a silk kimono while apricots plop around him and his bloodied baseball bat.

mach2 · 17/07/2024 20:29

Why do they so quickly devolve the conversation to death and suicide? It's an ugly strain that runs right through all TRA talking points.

As a young woman, mum was told by a man of her acquaintance that he'd kill himself if she didn't become his girlfriend. She told him to get on with it.

Two weeks later she bumped into him in the street and when he greeted her her only reply was "Still alive, I see".

It's emotional blackmail pure and simple.

SpanielintheWorks · 17/07/2024 20:26

My son was horrified at the thought of puberty because his treble singing voice was a big part of who he was.

Growing up sucks, sometimes.

ApocalipstickNow · 17/07/2024 20:21

My daughter is frightened of going through puberty. She has a real sense of distress around it.

not because she thinks she’s a boy, but because she finds the thought of periods scary and doesn’t want her body to change.

Im talking her through it and modelling positive body image as best as I can. Its not always easy, parenting isn’t always easy.

Shortshriftandlethal · 17/07/2024 19:54

Citrusandginger · 17/07/2024 19:46

I would recommend reflecting on the impact of suddenly removing the sole legal means of treating a preventable source of intense lifelong distress without providing any alternative option in any other area of healthcare

And I would recommend finding out what is really causing the intense distress. And treating it.

Of course, genderists would say that what is causing the distress is the thought of going through puberty...and they would leave it at that.......without further questioning of what exactly it was about that particular physical biological process and development that bothered and upset them so much. What does being an sexually mature adult mean to them? What are their associations?

Puberty is a challenging time for all of us. it is a major life stage: heralding a more adult function and place in the world.

I'm anxious about my granddaughter approaching puberty...for all the obvious reasons...but the thought of trying to block that puberty is even worse, and frankly quite weird and disturbing. What would it achieve?