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Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?

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CantDealwithChristmas · 17/07/2024 12:46

Jolyon 'fox killer' Maugham has been on one for 6 days straight now. It all started with Streeting's PBs ban and ratcheted up when JoMo sent Streeting a list of 25 questions which Streeting ignored - and on a Sunday too. As of yesterday JoMo, a KC (though Guido Fawkes reported his licence expired in May), was encouraging people to break the law by accessing banned PB drugs from abroad. As of today he has well and truly jumped the shark with the below, horrible post on X.

My question to this board is why do TRAs feel the need to ratchet up the emotional temperature of the debate so high? Why do they so quickly devolve the conversation to death and suicide? It's an ugly strain that runs right through all TRA talking points. I personally think TRA is an eschatological cult and the focus on death is a intrinsic part of that. Others may think it's all about emotional blackmail.

Either way, please use this thread to discuss JoMo, Streeting's unaccounably cruel ignoring of him, and TRA emotional hysteria / threats in general at this crucial time just after the PB ban was announced.

EDIT - could not upload the screenshot of JoMo's post but it reads as follows:

"And don't underestimate the political tail of Wes Streeting's decision. His colleagues will slowly be coming to terms with him locking them into a future of bereaved parents tipping ashes outside Number 10 and a revival of mass die-ins wherever they go."

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ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 18/07/2024 22:43

WallaceinAnderland · 17/07/2024 12:59

We are witnessing evangelical fury in real time. Condemnation and wrath. He must be punished and punished he shall be. So sayeth the righteous.

Repent, sinners!

Evangelical is the perfect description.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 18/07/2024 22:42

Ritchie Heron has always called it a death cult.

FrancescaContini · 18/07/2024 21:29

nauticant · 18/07/2024 13:55

Our daughter has no recollection of living as male, as this has not reflected her lived reality for the last 10 years, since age four. It is not a reality we, or she, would have chosen, but it is one we have come to accept and defend, because the alternative would have undoubtedly caused her harm. As professionals, practicing in social work and emergency medicine, we are well-versed in informed decision-making and risk management, and we have always been careful, curious, open-minded and questioning in our approach to parenting a trans child.

Dear God. Four?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/07/2024 21:09
Grin
lonelywater · 18/07/2024 21:08

I dare say a case may be made either way as to whether of not trans ideology is a cult, but what is in no doubt whatsoever is that the leading proponents of this hatstand bollocks are an absolute shower of cults.

SammyScrounge · 18/07/2024 20:46

CantDealwithChristmas · 17/07/2024 12:46

Jolyon 'fox killer' Maugham has been on one for 6 days straight now. It all started with Streeting's PBs ban and ratcheted up when JoMo sent Streeting a list of 25 questions which Streeting ignored - and on a Sunday too. As of yesterday JoMo, a KC (though Guido Fawkes reported his licence expired in May), was encouraging people to break the law by accessing banned PB drugs from abroad. As of today he has well and truly jumped the shark with the below, horrible post on X.

My question to this board is why do TRAs feel the need to ratchet up the emotional temperature of the debate so high? Why do they so quickly devolve the conversation to death and suicide? It's an ugly strain that runs right through all TRA talking points. I personally think TRA is an eschatological cult and the focus on death is a intrinsic part of that. Others may think it's all about emotional blackmail.

Either way, please use this thread to discuss JoMo, Streeting's unaccounably cruel ignoring of him, and TRA emotional hysteria / threats in general at this crucial time just after the PB ban was announced.

EDIT - could not upload the screenshot of JoMo's post but it reads as follows:

"And don't underestimate the political tail of Wes Streeting's decision. His colleagues will slowly be coming to terms with him locking them into a future of bereaved parents tipping ashes outside Number 10 and a revival of mass die-ins wherever they go."

If you are emoting right left and centre, if you are hysterical with fear that society is out to kill you - then you are unable to think. Thinking must be the activity that TRAs fear most because a clear mind will see through the ideology in jig time.
Hysteria is catching too. TRAs keep stirring the pot to maintain it. This has caused the "decline of thinking into feeling" .

CocoapuffPuff · 18/07/2024 20:33

OldCrone · 18/07/2024 20:21

Our daughter has no recollection of living as male, as this has not reflected her lived reality for the last 10 years, since age four. It is not a reality we, or she, would have chosen, but it is one we have come to accept and defend, because the alternative would have undoubtedly caused her harm.

They say "It is not a reality we ... would have chosen", but they did choose it. At four, this wasn't coming from the child, it was all done by the parents.

It's also not reality.

Omlettes · 18/07/2024 20:32

fromorbit · 18/07/2024 13:55

You need to follow the amazing Labour Pains Blog. Obligatory for those watching the Fox Botherer's amazing grifting career, mostly built on failed cases.

Here is a link to spreadsheet up to May 2024 with income figures and list of the mostly failed cases - red for failure green, for win. He had raised 16 million till then.

https://labourpainsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/screenshot-2024-05-03-at-09.39.33.png

According to Labourpains JM's crowdfunding is drying up outside gender cases. People have started noticing his failure rate I guess.

Thanks for this and I think he still hasnt sold the windmill...I wonder if he paid back the 500,000 he owed builders...

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 18/07/2024 20:32

TonTonMacoute · 18/07/2024 20:04

Some of this stuff is appalling! Four!? That's horrific.

In answer to the OP, I had a comment removed from MN when I likened the behaviour to a cult. To me everything about these extremists behaviour is exactly the same as a cult, (especially the fury invoked when anyone suggests that's what it is) and that makes it a cult IMO

It's been said in Parliament by Lords Young (Lab) and Blencathra (Con):

"is a cult that has invaded a lot of the institutions of government and other institutions. It is not going to just lie down quietly"

hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2024-04-17/debates/F0250D61-D285-4B3E-A14F-9E7CB3AC7820/CassReview?highlight=cult#contribution-5A06894D-22E4-46D9-A733-4D43EB39F93B

"Perhaps it was scrapping the words in the Hippocratic oath, “First do no harm”, that led to doctors neutering thousands of children, or perhaps they were captured by the ideologues of the transgender cult, led by the discredited organisation Mermaids, which advocates the cruel breast-binding of girls—it is currently under investigation by the Charity Commission, following safeguarding allegations. I exempt the courageous whistleblowers at the Tavistock who exposed this scandal and were vilified for it.

Only cult capture by the trans zealots can explain why 138 children were referred in 2010 for genuine gender dysphoria but that this had rocketed to 3,585 in 2021, as the fad for converting children from one sex to another took hold."

hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2024-02-09/debates/DB690A34-D945-4EDA-9178-DD6357498F45/ConversionTherapyProhibition(SexualOrientationAndGenderIdentity)Bill(HL)?highlight=cult#contribution-44EC249F-CF74-45DA-B85F-C543819605BE

So I don't think we should be deleted for use of the c-word.

OldCrone · 18/07/2024 20:21

Our daughter has no recollection of living as male, as this has not reflected her lived reality for the last 10 years, since age four. It is not a reality we, or she, would have chosen, but it is one we have come to accept and defend, because the alternative would have undoubtedly caused her harm.

They say "It is not a reality we ... would have chosen", but they did choose it. At four, this wasn't coming from the child, it was all done by the parents.

TonTonMacoute · 18/07/2024 20:04

Some of this stuff is appalling! Four!? That's horrific.

In answer to the OP, I had a comment removed from MN when I likened the behaviour to a cult. To me everything about these extremists behaviour is exactly the same as a cult, (especially the fury invoked when anyone suggests that's what it is) and that makes it a cult IMO

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2024 16:19

Maugham publishes a letter from a parent who transed their kid at age 4

They should be prosecuted for child abuse.

Dumbo12 · 18/07/2024 16:17

What are the parents regulatory bodies doing about them?

SerafinasGoose · 18/07/2024 16:15

FrancescaContini · 17/07/2024 21:46

The fox killer’s post is really nasty, with its ashes and mass die-ins. Quite sick.

Not difficult to guess, given his unfortunate but IMO not accidental choice of the ashes metaphor to make his tasteless and low point.

The rhetoric is unmistakeable, as is the Lobby's constant reference to any opposition as in 'alignment' with far right politics.

There don't seem to be any depths to which this excuse for a man won't sink.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/07/2024 15:24

548 replies. Over 190,000 views. 479 likes. Ratioed, I'd say.

zibzibara · 18/07/2024 15:22

Datun · 18/07/2024 14:59

I'm not on Twitter, if anyone can C and P a couple of the responses, I'd be grateful. I have to hope people are seeing through this nightmare.

Responses are mostly from well-known GC accounts who tend to be quick off the mark replying to these type of tweets, doesn't seem to be much criticism outside of this. I suppose most normal people aren't aware of this.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 18/07/2024 15:18

Likely causes of child death are on p36 here. I can't remember why the data is a year behind. It might be impacts from Covid but I can't remember.

12 female suicides
6 male suicides

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65bce1df7042820013752116/ChildSafeguardinggReviewPanellannualreportt2022too2023.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/child-safeguarding-practice-review-panel-annual-report-2022-to-2023

Datun · 18/07/2024 15:18

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/07/2024 15:13

Here you go, @Datun. Lots more like this.

Thank you, Gasp.

It's really rather petrifying that he thinks this would be considered persuasive.

endofthelinefinally · 18/07/2024 15:14

"As professionals, practicing in social work and emergency medicine, we are well-versed in informed decision-making and risk management, and we have always been careful, curious, open-minded and questioning in our approach to parenting a trans child."

This is appalling.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/07/2024 15:13

Here you go, @Datun. Lots more like this.

Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?
FannyCann · 18/07/2024 15:05

Thanks for that @fromorbit
That spreadsheet is quite something.

Datun · 18/07/2024 14:59

I'm not on Twitter, if anyone can C and P a couple of the responses, I'd be grateful. I have to hope people are seeing through this nightmare.

Datun · 18/07/2024 14:59

nauticant · 18/07/2024 13:55

Our daughter has no recollection of living as male, as this has not reflected her lived reality for the last 10 years, since age four. It is not a reality we, or she, would have chosen, but it is one we have come to accept and defend, because the alternative would have undoubtedly caused her harm. As professionals, practicing in social work and emergency medicine, we are well-versed in informed decision-making and risk management, and we have always been careful, curious, open-minded and questioning in our approach to parenting a trans child.

This child must have a penis, no?

unless they are kept completely isolated from society and every human being, they must know they are male.

Horrifying though it is, letters like that really highlight the utter scandal of transing children.

lcakethereforeIam · 18/07/2024 14:50

So that child was transed in 2014. His parents were one of the early uptakers. 'Social work and emergency medicine', Jesus Christ!

Citrusandginger · 18/07/2024 14:33

Well her biology lessons will be interesting.

Most teens learn their parents are not perfect - but imagine discovering they'd told you a whopper like that. How could you trust them again?