Allison Bailey v Stonewall verdict due in the next week

Any news yet?

MaidOfAle thanks for that, I hadn't seen it before. From another LGBA regular donor.

Donor.

fake gay rights orgs who just talk about trans people

ahem... https://lgballiance.org.uk/major-victory-for-lgb-people-secured-by-lgb-alliance/

Tangent re: vexatious litigants.

From a previous FWR thread (that has examples):

What's essential is dealing with reports and complaints of any kind is discerning between a usual, a persistent and a querulant (unusually persistent) complainant.

The persistent complainants’ pursuit of vindication and retribution fits badly with complaints systems established to deliver reparation and compensation. Extract from a report on Unusually Persistent Complainants against the Police in Scotland:

The research on which this report is based arose from my view, shared by many others, that increasingly organisations are required to manage people who make persistent complaints. This small group of individuals can consume a disproportionate amount of an organisation’s resources, pursuing what they believe are legitimate complaints, for longer and with more intensity than the majority of the population would consider reasonable.

The key to managing unacceptable complainant conduct is to manage your own response to it (New South Wales Ombusdman, 2009A) and the importance of adequate training, supervision and managerial support for complaints handlers can not be overstated.

They used the term ‘querulousness’ to refer to a constellation of behaviours and attitudes, which may, or may not, arise secondary to a major mental disorder. The key is that it is a problem behaviour, the causes of which can be many and varied. The behaviour involves “the unusually persistent pursuit of a personal grievance in a manner seriously damaging to the individual’s economic, social, and personal interests, and disruptive to the functioning of the courts and/or other agencies attempting to resolve the claims…

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3241727-Weaponising-of-the-Complaints-Process

The lying flawyer seem to have gone quiet of late, wings clipped by the court?

I don't think Jolyon Maugham would like the idea about limits😁

@Harassedevictee I wasn't implying that she was, just confirming that you can't just take court action willynilly, despite what certain TRAs might try to do.

What Allison is doing could not be classed as a vexatious litigant. It’s one case that she is appealing.

Plus there's the concept of being a vexatious litigant, which if I recall correctly, the flying "lawyer" has come dangerously close to being designated, if they haven't already been.

You think FWS have very little public support? Had to have a bit of a chuckle about that. Scottish women would very much disagree with you.

Is "donator" what they call it in the states?

She will fail and embarrass herself again and frankly I think the courts should put a limit on the number of times people can keep appealing

There is a limit. All Allison is doing is using the standard appeals process. ET, EAT, Court of Appeal. This is how our justice system works.

Sometimes these plopping posts on various threads read like they’re crowdsourced from Reddit and then posted here, spelling mistakes, Americanisms and all 🤔

The word is donor, @Christinapple. HTH.

@Christinapple if you look at polling, the causes they fight for and the principles behind them have a lot of public support.

Not many people believe that a lesbian can have a penis, for example. That's a fringe belief held mostly by trans activist weirdos.

If homophobes like you Chris would stop harassing LGBA then that would help. Having to keep dealing with homophobic attacks takes up time when they could be doing what they want to do to help LGB people. I know you refuse to accept that gender identity and sexual orientation are different things and therefore what helps LGB is not the same as helps T but you are living in fantasy land while the rest of us live in the real world.

Of course, your gay man could be a heterosexual woman. Or is it not those types of gay men who get deported??

frankly I think the courts should put a limit on the number of times people can keep appealing

I bet

Just this month a gay man in Switzerland's deportation to Iran was stopped thanks to Stonewall's intervention.

Glad to hear it. Nothing to do with this case though.

She will fail and embarrass herself again and frankly I think the courts should put a limit on the number of times people can keep appealing

There is already a limit.

Yeah of course it's JK Rowling, the same donator who keeps gender critical orgs such as the LGBAlliance and FWS in existence. They have very little public support so need to rely on large drops of funding from her.

She will fail and embarrass herself again and frankly I think the courts should put a limit on the number of times people can keep appealing, but I think it's sad a gay rights org which I donate to is under constant attack by people who are gender critical.

Just this month a gay man in Switzerland's deportation to Iran was stopped thanks to Stonewall's intervention. Stonewall actually do things to do help gay and bi people, instead of fake gay rights orgs who just talk about trans people.

www.stonewall.org.uk/news/gay-man-prevented-from-deportation-to-iran-thanks-to-charity-intervention

I know what you mean, it would be great to have more than one.

I just love her saying my dear friend, sending daggers into the hearts of TRAs everywhere

I hope it isn't. It would be lovely to have another supporter with deep pockets.

I do like the image of a Bailey standing up to a Stonewall. It's a bit poignant to think though that they could have been on the same side if only Stonewall hadn't forgotten their purpose.

Big thanks to whoever is funding Allison, and I hope it is JKR.