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FFS disability is now on the pride flag

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sashh · 16/07/2024 08:58

I'm livid. I'm disabled and I do not want to be represented on the LGBTQ+ flag.

Also this quote: Dayna Halliwell (she/her), Content and Engagement Manager at Evenbreak, led the collaboration and organised the Pride visit. She said: “It was very moving and amazing to see the reaction of disabled people in the audience. You could see the joy on their faces of being represented in the parade.”

https://blog.evenbreak.co.uk/2024/07/02/new-disability-inclusive-pride-flag-unveiled-at-london-pride/

New Disability-Inclusive Pride Flag unveiled at London Pride

Image description: Evenbreak team members in pink t-shirts carry the new Disability-Inclusive Pride Flag in the London Pride Parade alongside Valentino Vechietti, dressed in white. Photo credit: Ma…

https://blog.evenbreak.co.uk/2024/07/02/new-disability-inclusive-pride-flag-unveiled-at-london-pride

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gummigwer · 16/07/2024 14:13

Devonbabs · 16/07/2024 14:06

It’s fine, surely the dog will now understand his owner is now included.

On a sort of side note, How the fuck have people who are affected by racism not kicked up a stink about being dragged into this shit show?

Maybe they are? But you don't hear from them...

Devonbabs · 16/07/2024 14:06

gummigwer · 16/07/2024 13:47

Which STILL doesn't help the guide dogs who get confused by these crossings. Who needs guide dogs?? anyone?

It’s fine, surely the dog will now understand his owner is now included.

On a sort of side note, How the fuck have people who are affected by racism not kicked up a stink about being dragged into this shit show?

DawsonsFreak · 16/07/2024 14:00

gummigwer · 16/07/2024 13:47

Which STILL doesn't help the guide dogs who get confused by these crossings. Who needs guide dogs?? anyone?

The guide dogs need to reframe their victimhood and check their privilege. Clearly they are brimming over with hate and prejudice.

VictorianBigot · 16/07/2024 13:59

@SeeSeeRider Well, this is an example of movements hijacking the original meaning of something (in the case of woke - racial prejudice and discrimination) and diluting it to the point it becomes a parody. Like what is happening with biology, disability, sexuality and DSDs among others.

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 16/07/2024 13:58

gummigwer · 16/07/2024 13:47

Which STILL doesn't help the guide dogs who get confused by these crossings. Who needs guide dogs?? anyone?

Ah but now you can identify as being disabled and being disabled is to be celebrated in a totally non specific way, so who needs those pesky adjustments to make things easier? That just gets in the way of all this joy. Just embrace the fact your guide dog can't see and you might end up walking out in front of a car - pride joy! Or something.

Funny how you actually have to provide proof to get disability benefits and can't just self ID into that. Talking about processes which lack dignity - any attempt to make applying for or even keeping disability benefits more dignified or easier? No?

Chersfrozenface · 16/07/2024 13:55

They're not actually crossings, though, as the stripes aren't parallel with the pavement/footway. They're just propaganda decoration - probably why the word crossings is in quotation marks in the BBC story.

Any traffic allowed along the road is not obliged to stop for pedestrians at that point, since it doesn't conform to zebra crossing standards and there are no traffic lights.

NameChange0101010101 · 16/07/2024 13:54

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 16/07/2024 13:39

What IS a hate word?
Who decides?

Words like 'cis' and 'birthing parent' I'm assuming.

gummigwer · 16/07/2024 13:47

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 16/07/2024 13:20

Which STILL doesn't help the guide dogs who get confused by these crossings. Who needs guide dogs?? anyone?

gummigwer · 16/07/2024 13:45

You've heard of greenwashing.

This is Pridewashing

Basically selling t-shirts to anyone gullible enough. and Making the lovely $$$$$$ off them. Being very homophobic and anti-disability on the way.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 16/07/2024 13:39

What IS a hate word?
Who decides?

SeeSeeRider · 16/07/2024 13:35

@VictorianBigot

‘woke’ fuckers playing music through speakers in public places

What, in the name of fuck has playing music through speakers got to do with being 'woke', and did you know that 'woke' is actually a hate word?

RubyTrees · 16/07/2024 13:34

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 16/07/2024 13:20

So it will just be identifying as a rainbow then?

VictorianBigot · 16/07/2024 13:20

MysteriousUsername · 16/07/2024 11:29

If they were going to use it to actually spread disability awareness and inclusion it would be fine. But they won't. It will self-identified "neurospicy" people who aren't actually diagnosed but think that being autistic is just being "quirky and non binary" and will then shout disability discrimination at any given opportunity, as well as transphobia.

I'm autistic, although straight (but hey, I technically come under the demisexual and non binary flags if you look at the descriptions 🙄) and I don't want adding to their stupid flag. Any of the stupid bloody flags.

I was just about to say this. By disability they no doubt mean ND and the freedom to identify as such, which I think is where it crosses paths with gender identity. Campaigns for people with physical disabilities aren’t really on the radars of virtue signallers or the ‘gender diverse’ from what I have seen, presumably because it doesn’t fall under the umbrella of ‘Identity’. MH has also fallen out of fashion among this crowd. In my experience the ‘awareness’ around MH only went so far as MH Lite. People with schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder or by and large bipolar disorder (as it actually presents, not just ‘ooh I’m so bipolar today’) barely got a mention. Similarly, people with autism who experience profound difficulties such as epilepsy, violent behaviours and being non-verbal aren’t represented in the same way.

I think the Identity movement is basically just an endeavour in narcissism and look at me, dressed up as Awareness. Meanwhile people complain about wheelchair ramps looking unsightly and huff and puff about making space for a wheelchair on public transport or someone having an autistic meltdown (not helped by things like ‘woke’ fuckers playing music through speakers in public places). Just look at the recent AIBU thread about intolerance of disabled people.

I say all this as a technically ND person (although I find that term problematic for a number of reasons) who has a diagnosis of ADHD. I fear this kind of celebration of diversity or whatever it’s supposed to be is harmful to education on the subject. Other than relevant professionals and one or two close friends, I don’t tell anyone IRL about my diagnosis because I’d get an eye roll. Because of shite like this.

SeeSeeRider · 16/07/2024 13:12

sashh · 16/07/2024 11:43

Even though you are being told by people with disabilities that we do not want this?

You do know there is a fetish about having sex with disabled people don't you?

How about my daughter? A wheelchair user? Does she count? Are you speaking for everybody with any kind of disability?

Waitingfordoggo · 16/07/2024 13:11

oOiluvfriendsOo · 16/07/2024 11:10

How about just going out and living their lives then instead of putting on a song and dance about it.

' oh look at me, I'm gay, I want everyone to know I'm gay so I'm going to put on a funny voice and walk to prove it'.......

Why the need to bring attention to yourself.
Obviously the TQ+ is a whole different matter, but my god.

Eg, I work with a trans person. He goes about his job with no fuss wearing a male uniform and just being himself.
At a wedding for a work colleague he was in a dress, heels make up the lot and not one person batted an eyelid. Not even other guests that didn't know him.
Why was that......because he didn't put on an 'oh look at me' show. He danced and had a great time like everyone else.

You come across as pretty homophobic. What about all the gay people who don’t have a ‘funny voice/walk’? What about all the straight people with funny voices/walks?

You’re talking about people deliberately seeking attention- yes such people exist and always have. Some of them are gay, some of them are not. Some are even trans and NB.

MrsToddsShortcut · 16/07/2024 13:01

Yes, that makes sense. I think I may be confusing myself and thinking of the old Disability Discrimination Act, but you're right - I think this only applies to buildings built after a certain date.

I maintain that it's not brilliant practice, but yes, I stand corrected re it being illegal or in breach of EA2010

Sloejelly · 16/07/2024 12:52

MrsToddsShortcut · 16/07/2024 12:24

Housethatbuiltme

Thing is though, it's a legal requirement. Surely they're in breach of EA2010 by having no disabled access? Even if they can't afford the renovations, they shouldn't be running a venue if they don't even have a decent understanding of their obligations.

The EA requires ‘reasonable adjustments’ - some buildings, especially listed ones, cannot be made wheelchair friendly without huge expense or changes to the listed aspect of the building. Schools don’t even have to do that.

CocoapuffPuff · 16/07/2024 12:41

Am I right in thinking regulations re disabled access apply mostly to new buildings? Some older buildings can be adapted but I'd guess most can't, either because of listed status, planning regs or just simple "there's no place to put an elevator". New builds would have to build it in.

justasking111 · 16/07/2024 12:36

MrsToddsShortcut · 16/07/2024 12:24

Housethatbuiltme

Thing is though, it's a legal requirement. Surely they're in breach of EA2010 by having no disabled access? Even if they can't afford the renovations, they shouldn't be running a venue if they don't even have a decent understanding of their obligations.

There's lots of premises, restaurants, offices on the first floor and above with no chance to put in a lift. I accept that they're not able to cater for me

Suzieandthemonkeyfeet · 16/07/2024 12:33

justasking111 · 16/07/2024 12:18

It's all to leech money from other charities that are better placed to do something for individual disabilities.

They're after our direct debits!!!

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MrsToddsShortcut · 16/07/2024 12:24

Housethatbuiltme

Thing is though, it's a legal requirement. Surely they're in breach of EA2010 by having no disabled access? Even if they can't afford the renovations, they shouldn't be running a venue if they don't even have a decent understanding of their obligations.

justasking111 · 16/07/2024 12:18

It's all to leech money from other charities that are better placed to do something for individual disabilities.

They're after our direct debits!!!

housethatbuiltme · 16/07/2024 12:16

MrsToddsShortcut · 16/07/2024 11:58

This wouldn't be so offensive if in society generally, the Disabled community weren't one of the most overlooked, underfunded and discriminated against.

One of the reasons so much EDI focuses on TQIA+ is because it costs pennies to stick up a progress flag decal or change a company header on social media. Whereas including disabled people actually costs significant amounts of money because it usually involves making changes to building design. I took my son to see a special school recently. My mum couldn't get in the building as they had absolutely no wheelchair access (old Victorian building) but there were posters everywhere for the LGBTQIA+ society. One costs pennies and the other involves money on structural changes.

Who were the main group the Tories targeted in their 'back to work' drive before the election? Yep, PIP and ESA claimants. Who are negatively affected by Pride Crossings? Anyone who relies on a guide dog or assistance dog.

Who are affected by public toilets not having hoists or proper adult changing stations? Or by the repurposing of disabled toilets? Anyone with a physical or hidden disability.

Who are still discriminated against in employment by employers who don't want to spend money on reasonable adjustments? Why are schools exempt from making reasonable adjustments for disabled pupils if the LEA is able to argue it can't affordable to make them?

But it's okay. We're included on a flag that was supposed to already represent us. And everyone knows that the most important thing about inclusion is being seen to make the right noises, not actually including the disabled.

Although that said, having a nice disabled heart on the progress flag is a sure fire way to bat away criticism of all the autistic kids caught up in the TQIA+ and all the kids on puberty blockers who are now living with crippling osteoporosis and shuffling along the pride marches with walking sticks or in wheelchairs.

I think a lot of it is accidental ignorance.

Its not until people have to live as or personally cater for a disabled person that they realize just how inaccessible the world is especially for wheelchairs.

I have an invisible disability and can walk, I don't think there is much I can't access but my mam who was in a full wheelchair it was a nightmare going anywhere. We live in the north and everything is historic cities full of listed buildings exempt from changes.

Trying to plan my wedding we looked at one venue and realized there was no disabled access to which the planner just responded 'oh its fine the staff can just carry them up their stairs'.

First of all no, you could easily kill them as they have an unstable neck dislocation and break, you can't just go throwing disabled people over your shoulder fireman life style. Second, It would be extremely painful for them to be lifted and moved. Third, who wants the indignity of being man handled by complete strangers. Fourth and a major legal one what if there is a fire and need to evacuate in a hurry. Fifth how would we get the wheelchair up, I think they seriously underestimate the size, awkward cumbersome shame and the fact it weighs over 12st. And so on...

None of this stuff had even crossed their mind.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/07/2024 12:10

I believe it's also called the "Progress Flag", as in a work in progress and also to mark advancement in minority rights. Trouble is, while minority rights are obviously important, at this rate they'll run out of space on the thing

Never mind though; it doubtless makes for plenty of nice committee/focus group meetings, which may totally ignore the wishes of the disabled who prefer not to be associated with it. I'm only waiting for such folk to be labeled "bigots" ...