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FFS disability is now on the pride flag

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sashh · 16/07/2024 08:58

I'm livid. I'm disabled and I do not want to be represented on the LGBTQ+ flag.

Also this quote: Dayna Halliwell (she/her), Content and Engagement Manager at Evenbreak, led the collaboration and organised the Pride visit. She said: “It was very moving and amazing to see the reaction of disabled people in the audience. You could see the joy on their faces of being represented in the parade.”

https://blog.evenbreak.co.uk/2024/07/02/new-disability-inclusive-pride-flag-unveiled-at-london-pride/

New Disability-Inclusive Pride Flag unveiled at London Pride

Image description: Evenbreak team members in pink t-shirts carry the new Disability-Inclusive Pride Flag in the London Pride Parade alongside Valentino Vechietti, dressed in white. Photo credit: Ma…

https://blog.evenbreak.co.uk/2024/07/02/new-disability-inclusive-pride-flag-unveiled-at-london-pride

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morningtoncrescent62 · 16/07/2024 16:53

SeeSeeRider · 16/07/2024 16:38

Ah, so we're talking about pro- and anti- transgender activists, and the 'woke' ones with the loudspeakers are the pro ones. Have I got that right? And only one side does bad things?

In the message above where I quoted VictorianBigot, I mentioned a couple of the many examples of events that were discussing women's rights being targeted and attacked by protestors who were anti-women's rights (who would probably consider themselves to be pro-trans rights). Do you have examples of supporters of women's rights intimidating people at trans rights meetings, shouting them down, banging on windows, letting off smoke bombs and all the rest of it? I've never seen any, but happy to look at the evidence if I live in a bubble. Do meetings promoting trans rights have to pay loads of money for extra security, have the police in attendance, keep their venues secret until the day or else deal with venues cancelling because they've been bombarded with calls to ban the event? None of the pro-trans rights events in my city (there have been many that I'm aware of, and I'm sure many more that I'm not) have had to face any of that, yet it's par for the course for women's rights groups.

RainWithSunnySpells · 16/07/2024 16:53

I thought this one was interesting. The guy filming had nothing to do with the protest or what they were protesting, he just stumbles across the protest. He is an auditor who films the Police and as there were Police there he started to film. It's an interesting watch.

gummigwer · 16/07/2024 16:51

SeeSeeRider · 16/07/2024 16:38

Ah, so we're talking about pro- and anti- transgender activists, and the 'woke' ones with the loudspeakers are the pro ones. Have I got that right? And only one side does bad things?

I haven't heard of groups of women turning up at trans activist events and harassing/threatening people if that's what you mean... (happy to be corrected - anyone?)

The worst they've done is speak, but that's too much for some.... scary wimin talking and disagreeing wiz the menz!! Burn the witches!!

To be clear, GC women aren't anti-trans, they want to ensure safety and fairness for all including/especially anyone who identifies as trans - eg preventing them from getting unnecessary drugs/surgery that will likely harm them in the long term... (guess who benefits from that? follow the $$$$$$)

morningtoncrescent62 · 16/07/2024 16:43

VictorianBigot · 16/07/2024 15:50

Have a watch if the livestream recording of Let Women Speak in Brighton 2024. Shouting and chanting, noise rattling, megaphones, the lot. It continued after the event, with so-called activists getting in the faces of attendees and shouting Nazi at them. They did not let women speak. Making as much noise as possible to drown out whatever opinions they disagree with is their MO, check out antifascist groups if you don’t believe me.

Or if the Let Women Speak events aren't left-wing enough for you, here's what happened when Labour Women's Declaration (Labour Party members and trade unionists) held a rally for women's rights - masked protestors intimidated attendees, chanted throughout the event, and set off smoke bombs. https://labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/press-release-womens-rights-rally-targeted/

Not to mention the events at universities, like this booklaunch at Edinburgh University - which at least managed to go ahead despite intimidating protests, unlike others at the university which were cancelled due to protestors constituting a safety risk. https://thecritic.co.uk/burn-the-book/

There are dozens of other such examples, and no, it's not some right-wing conspiracy theory. There would doubtless be even more examples, but the inevitability of disruptive protests and targeting, the real possibility of assaults and physical damage, plus the costs of organising security (costs of money and time) mean that potential organisers of women's rights events are put off or don't have the resources to organise them in the first place.

Press release: Women's rights rally targeted - Labour Women's Declaration

Women's rights rally targeted PRESS RELEASE - issued 11th March 2020 London: Masked protestors let off flares and intimidate attendees  A women's rights rally, held at a venue adjacent to the Grenfell Tower Memorial Wall, has been disrupted by masked p...

https://labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/press-release-womens-rights-rally-targeted

SonicTheHodgeheg · 16/07/2024 16:42

Grammarnut · 16/07/2024 16:32

The events in NZ and Australia were appalling. Attacks by masked men, shouting, loudspeakers. The Brighton event made sure that the women who had come to speak did not get heard.

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If anything disproves TWAW, it’s their behaviour at these events. They want any excuse to beat up and silence women and are threatened by GC feminists because they know that TW aren’t W really.

Sloejelly · 16/07/2024 16:40

SeeSeeRider · 16/07/2024 16:38

Ah, so we're talking about pro- and anti- transgender activists, and the 'woke' ones with the loudspeakers are the pro ones. Have I got that right? And only one side does bad things?

The ones with the loud speakers are anti-women’s rights. The ones trying to speak and with the stewards are pro-women’s rights.

SeeSeeRider · 16/07/2024 16:38

Ah, so we're talking about pro- and anti- transgender activists, and the 'woke' ones with the loudspeakers are the pro ones. Have I got that right? And only one side does bad things?

Grammarnut · 16/07/2024 16:38

Sloejelly · 16/07/2024 16:36

Absolutely not. A zebra crossing is carefully laid out in law, include type of paint used. A ‘rainbow crossing’ is just a pattern on the road and means nothing as far a traffic or pedestrians are concerned.

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Appalling!

eatfigs · 16/07/2024 16:37

SeeSeeRider · 16/07/2024 15:15

@Quietnights

I'd presumed that poster means self-identified progressives who take along loud speakers to drown out the public voices at public events of anyone they disagree with.

Right. OK. I'd never heard of this before, and didn't know it was a thing. I'd like to think I'm reasonably 'progressive': I resigned from the Labour Party and voted Green in the GE (because of what Starmer said about not seeking to re-enter the EU in 'his lifetime'). I read the Guardian, I hate Farage, I'm socially liberal - I favour more rights for women, gay people and minorities.

But that drowning out thing just seems batshit to me. Having better policies that make more sense is what I want to see, not shouting louder.

Does it actually happen, or is it some kind of right wing rumour?

Another example:

Transgender activists face off with police at Posie Parker's London rally

Footage of transgender activists clashing with police at a rally held by Kellie-Jay Keen (aka Posie Parker) this afternoon (April 30). Many used umbrellas an...

https://youtu.be/blAevl6xcxI

SerendipityJane · 16/07/2024 16:37

Help ! I'm being oppressed.

Sloejelly · 16/07/2024 16:36

Grammarnut · 16/07/2024 16:30

Surely a rainbow zebra crossing is still a zebra crossing? If not, what idiots are doing this? Highly dangerous, not only for guide dogs but for children!

Absolutely not. A zebra crossing is carefully laid out in law, include type of paint used. A ‘rainbow crossing’ is just a pattern on the road and means nothing as far a traffic or pedestrians are concerned.

Grammarnut · 16/07/2024 16:36

ThePoshUns · 16/07/2024 09:14

Quote if the day. Eventually we will all be ' othered' there will be no others.

Well, afaik everyone is NB except transpeople - 98% has no 'gender identity' they are just themselves and either male or female.

eatfigs · 16/07/2024 16:34

SeeSeeRider · 16/07/2024 15:15

@Quietnights

I'd presumed that poster means self-identified progressives who take along loud speakers to drown out the public voices at public events of anyone they disagree with.

Right. OK. I'd never heard of this before, and didn't know it was a thing. I'd like to think I'm reasonably 'progressive': I resigned from the Labour Party and voted Green in the GE (because of what Starmer said about not seeking to re-enter the EU in 'his lifetime'). I read the Guardian, I hate Farage, I'm socially liberal - I favour more rights for women, gay people and minorities.

But that drowning out thing just seems batshit to me. Having better policies that make more sense is what I want to see, not shouting louder.

Does it actually happen, or is it some kind of right wing rumour?

Yes it does, here's the Let Women Speak event in Birmingham last year for example:

"He's just assaulted me!" - Clashes at #LetWomenSpeak anti-trans protest | I Am Birmingham

Pro and anti #transgender activists clashed during a protest in #Birmingham on Sunday (14 May) led by controversial women's rights activist Posie Parker, rea...

https://youtu.be/oRxj1YF8zro

Grammarnut · 16/07/2024 16:32

SonicTheHodgeheg · 16/07/2024 16:28

People at these events post photos and video on social media sites like X (Twitter) This opened my eyes to the intimidation that these women face and the shocking lack of action by the police.

The events in NZ and Australia were appalling. Attacks by masked men, shouting, loudspeakers. The Brighton event made sure that the women who had come to speak did not get heard.

Grammarnut · 16/07/2024 16:30

AlisonDonut · 16/07/2024 10:17

It is't about being offended.

It is about money going to flags instead of actual ways of making lives easier for actual disabled people.

In fact when they spend loads of cash on rainbow crossings, that guide dogs cannot recognise and are not safe because drivers don't have to stop at them - it puts actual people with disabilites at risk.

Surely a rainbow zebra crossing is still a zebra crossing? If not, what idiots are doing this? Highly dangerous, not only for guide dogs but for children!

SonicTheHodgeheg · 16/07/2024 16:28

SeeSeeRider · 16/07/2024 15:15

@Quietnights

I'd presumed that poster means self-identified progressives who take along loud speakers to drown out the public voices at public events of anyone they disagree with.

Right. OK. I'd never heard of this before, and didn't know it was a thing. I'd like to think I'm reasonably 'progressive': I resigned from the Labour Party and voted Green in the GE (because of what Starmer said about not seeking to re-enter the EU in 'his lifetime'). I read the Guardian, I hate Farage, I'm socially liberal - I favour more rights for women, gay people and minorities.

But that drowning out thing just seems batshit to me. Having better policies that make more sense is what I want to see, not shouting louder.

Does it actually happen, or is it some kind of right wing rumour?

People at these events post photos and video on social media sites like X (Twitter) This opened my eyes to the intimidation that these women face and the shocking lack of action by the police.

gummigwer · 16/07/2024 16:22

VictorianBigot · 16/07/2024 15:50

Have a watch if the livestream recording of Let Women Speak in Brighton 2024. Shouting and chanting, noise rattling, megaphones, the lot. It continued after the event, with so-called activists getting in the faces of attendees and shouting Nazi at them. They did not let women speak. Making as much noise as possible to drown out whatever opinions they disagree with is their MO, check out antifascist groups if you don’t believe me.

You have to wonder why people on the "Right side of History" appear masked and shout rape and death threats at events, for example, where lesbians are talking about their right to meet with other lesbians (not the male kind)

RainWithSunnySpells · 16/07/2024 16:21

Here's one version of the joke 'how the progress flag might look a few years from now' flag. Several people have had the same idea of adding loads of stuff to the progress flag and other versions exist, but this is one that I found in my search (and it does have Rick Astley on it). I can't see the disability heart though. I don't know what all of the symbols mean (some might be offensive, so I have ticked the sensitive image box to be safe). To be clear - I did not make this joke flag and I do not know who did make it.

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FFS disability is now on the pride flag
CocoapuffPuff · 16/07/2024 16:16

Ah, the STFU has arrived.

Bingo!

PlanetJanette · 16/07/2024 16:13

To all the straight disabled people saying they don't want to be included in a flag - newsflash - you're not. This is about recognising the intersection of disability and the LGBT+ community. If you're gay and able-bodied, or straight and disabled, you're not at that intersection and this development really doesn't concern you.

CocoapuffPuff · 16/07/2024 16:00

SerendipityJane · 16/07/2024 15:01

Do they ?

Explain that to a friend who went to see a brand new 2019 build house that was inaccessible because the car park was - deliberately - pea shingle.

Apparently there is an exemption in the EA that allows people who don't like skateboarders "in their neighbourhood" to trump "that lot" as my friend was called.

If only she'd had a flag.

Is a home a public building? I appreciate I didn't actually say that is what I meant, but it was clear in the context of the conversation at that point. Clearly not. I shall idiot-proof comments in future.

TWETMIRF · 16/07/2024 15:59

Wasn't that the time when a labour party staff member was screaming at a baby for the sin of being brought by its parent?

VictorianBigot · 16/07/2024 15:59

And another

(I like how it says ‘be prepared to walk or travel to the event’, as opposed to, erm, the event coming to you?)

FFS disability is now on the pride flag
VictorianBigot · 16/07/2024 15:57

Here you go

FFS disability is now on the pride flag