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FFS disability is now on the pride flag

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sashh · 16/07/2024 08:58

I'm livid. I'm disabled and I do not want to be represented on the LGBTQ+ flag.

Also this quote: Dayna Halliwell (she/her), Content and Engagement Manager at Evenbreak, led the collaboration and organised the Pride visit. She said: “It was very moving and amazing to see the reaction of disabled people in the audience. You could see the joy on their faces of being represented in the parade.”

https://blog.evenbreak.co.uk/2024/07/02/new-disability-inclusive-pride-flag-unveiled-at-london-pride/

New Disability-Inclusive Pride Flag unveiled at London Pride

Image description: Evenbreak team members in pink t-shirts carry the new Disability-Inclusive Pride Flag in the London Pride Parade alongside Valentino Vechietti, dressed in white. Photo credit: Ma…

https://blog.evenbreak.co.uk/2024/07/02/new-disability-inclusive-pride-flag-unveiled-at-london-pride

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Sloejelly · 17/07/2024 12:47

PlanetJanette · 17/07/2024 12:45

Imaginary demons often are...

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From personal experience?

PlanetJanette · 17/07/2024 12:45

WickedSerious · 17/07/2024 12:12

No,should they be?

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Imaginary demons often are...

WickedSerious · 17/07/2024 12:13

SidewaysOtter · 17/07/2024 12:04

Or let it dry and a good stiff brush.

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Oooh,matron!

WickedSerious · 17/07/2024 12:12

PlanetJanette · 17/07/2024 12:10

Are these grifters in the room with you now?

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No,should they be?

PlanetJanette · 17/07/2024 12:10

WickedSerious · 17/07/2024 11:26

'They'=the grifters.

It's about dragging as many groups as possible into their bullshit.

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Are these grifters in the room with you now?

SidewaysOtter · 17/07/2024 12:04

WickedSerious · 17/07/2024 11:23

Dry clean only.

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Or let it dry and a good stiff brush.

BeachParty · 17/07/2024 11:29

MaidOfAle · 17/07/2024 04:50

The arrow is pointy and penetrating, rather like a male genital organ that a lesbian wouldn't want.

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😂
Maybe advocate asking for the lines to be made more wiggly then so it's looks less penetrative to you?

WickedSerious · 17/07/2024 11:26

PlanetJanette · 17/07/2024 11:23

Who is 'they'?

But do you at least accept - given your use of the word 'until' - that this inclusion on the flag is about LGBT+ disabled people?

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'They'=the grifters.

It's about dragging as many groups as possible into their bullshit.

WickedSerious · 17/07/2024 11:23

SidewaysOtter · 17/07/2024 10:14

I’m glad to see Smurfs are included. Perhaps the flag should be made hairy to represent The Flumps?

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Dry clean only.

PlanetJanette · 17/07/2024 11:23

WickedSerious · 17/07/2024 11:17

"Nothing to do with straight disabled people".

Until they come up with a way to include them in their grift.

Who is 'they'?

But do you at least accept - given your use of the word 'until' - that this inclusion on the flag is about LGBT+ disabled people?

WickedSerious · 17/07/2024 11:17

"Nothing to do with straight disabled people".

Until they come up with a way to include them in their grift.

PlanetJanette · 17/07/2024 10:56

SerafinasGoose · 17/07/2024 10:46

Indeed.

That superstraight kid made a very valid point, intentionally or otherwise.

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Nope. Not indeed. The post you were replying to was full of nonsense.

This development is about LGBT+ disabled people being included on a flag, just as LGBT+ of colour are.

There are good arguments in both directions as to whether that is a sensible way to approach flags. But claims that this is coopting disabled people regardless of their sexuality or gender identities (or indeed about including people with a disability fetish) is utter nonsense to the point of being unhinged.

DSDaisy · 17/07/2024 10:51

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Indeed.

That superstraight kid made a very valid point, intentionally or otherwise.

SammyScrounge · 17/07/2024 10:39

MaidOfAle · 17/07/2024 05:08

There are men who fetishise disabled women. There is porn in which women have their limbs bound up to resemble quadruple amputees.

This new flag is a smokescreen for these straight men's fetishes.

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That's revolting.

SammyScrounge · 17/07/2024 10:35

Devonbabs · 17/07/2024 03:14

Don’t you know, there’s a certain cult that’s appropriated the suffix”phobic” and treats it as a magic word to vaporise all actual argument. Unfortunately for them it only works with other cult members. Unfortunately the very people the suffix was originally designed to protect no longer are protected by the word because of its misuse. Classic case of the boy who cried wolf.

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Devonbabs- well expressed😀

PlanetJanette · 17/07/2024 10:27

MaidOfAle · 17/07/2024 04:48

I'm bisexual and disabled and the two have nothing to do with each other. I don't want my disability represented on the flag that's meant to represent the struggle for my right to marry a woman.

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And you're welcome to that view.

But why should your view trump that of other LGBT+ people?

As it happens, I'm not a huge fan of the progress flag myself - because I think a better route to inclusion is systemic inclusion not just symbolic inclusion. So for me, it should be the case that the rainbow flag already represented and represents trans people, queer people of colour, queer disabled people etc.

But others disagree with that view and I can see that point of view. I am not a person of colour, so don't think I have much place to tell queer people of colour that they should not advocate for the brown and black stripes. I'm not trans, and I don't think I have any role in telling trans people that they should not advocate for symbolic inclusion on the flag.

As an bi disabled person, of course you have every right to support or not the addition of symbolic inclusion of LGBT+ disabled people on the flag. But you should also recognise the alternative view point.

PlanetJanette · 17/07/2024 10:20

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This is nonsense.

The evolutions of the progress flag have been about inclusion of parts of the LGBT+ community that have tended to be more marginalised within the community.

That is why the black and brown stripes were added: not because anyone things being a person of colour makes someone queer, but because LGBT+ people of colour have experienced marginalisation within the LGBT+ community. The same of trans people. The same of LGBT+ disabled people.

I have not seen any, even highly academic, attempt to conflate being disabled (in general, irrespective of sexual or gender identity) and being queer.

The only actual academic discussion I have seen on this is the overlap between disability theory and queer theory, and some of the common experiences of disabled people and queer people (e.g. higher rates of violence, discrimination, homelessness etc). But saying that 'Group X has some experiences in common with Group Y' is not the same as saying 'Group X is therefore part of Group Y'.

So back to the original point - this flag is nothing to do with straight disabled people.

Sloejelly · 17/07/2024 10:16

many queer theorists are so close to eating themselves

There will be a flag for that

SidewaysOtter · 17/07/2024 10:15

Joleyne · 17/07/2024 08:53

The original Rainbow is shrinking with each new addition. Soon they'll have erased it completely.

It’ll be what’s best for us, I’m sure. In the name of equality, progression and diversity, for ever and ever, amen.

SidewaysOtter · 17/07/2024 10:14

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I’m glad to see Smurfs are included. Perhaps the flag should be made hairy to represent The Flumps?

SeeSeeRider · 17/07/2024 09:56

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For God' sake! Are you channelling Prince Philip?

DSDaisy · 17/07/2024 09:34

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HoneyButterPopcorn · 17/07/2024 09:09

That’s the point.

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