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FFS disability is now on the pride flag

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sashh · 16/07/2024 08:58

I'm livid. I'm disabled and I do not want to be represented on the LGBTQ+ flag.

Also this quote: Dayna Halliwell (she/her), Content and Engagement Manager at Evenbreak, led the collaboration and organised the Pride visit. She said: “It was very moving and amazing to see the reaction of disabled people in the audience. You could see the joy on their faces of being represented in the parade.”

https://blog.evenbreak.co.uk/2024/07/02/new-disability-inclusive-pride-flag-unveiled-at-london-pride/

New Disability-Inclusive Pride Flag unveiled at London Pride

Image description: Evenbreak team members in pink t-shirts carry the new Disability-Inclusive Pride Flag in the London Pride Parade alongside Valentino Vechietti, dressed in white. Photo credit: Ma…

https://blog.evenbreak.co.uk/2024/07/02/new-disability-inclusive-pride-flag-unveiled-at-london-pride

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Quietnights · 16/07/2024 12:10

housethatbuiltme · 16/07/2024 12:02

I don't understand the concept of 'pride' especially over things that aren't choices. I mean live and let live if anyone wants a party they can but I don't really get it.

I'm not ashamed of my gender, race, nationality, disabilities or anything else I am but I also see no need to be proud of them. They aren't achievements they are just my life.

Pride is for things you achieve, you can be proud of say getting a degree or being recognized in a hobby or achieving a goal but something thats not a choice or in your control is not really a pride thing.

Its like how nationalist make me cringe thinking they are better than others just because they where born somewhere there parent just happened to be. My disability is not something I had any say in or control over, I'm not ashamed or sorry to be disabled but I'm not 'proud' that my brain/body doesn't work as it should (that would be weird).

Pride was about same sex attracted people. It was called Pride to counter the shame that society told gay men and lesbians they should feel.

Quietnights · 16/07/2024 12:08

StealthSpinach · 16/07/2024 12:07

I was extremely offended to be asked if I “identified as disabled” on a government form recently. I don’t fucking identify as disabled - because if I “identified” as disabled, I’d be able to identify out of it.

I would be able to change the fact I am in pain every second of my life.
I would be able to change the fact I am below the poverty line as I can’t work due to my disability.
I would be able to change the fact that I have not been able to achieve any of the dreams I once held.
I would be able to change the fact that no one gives a shit, and no one helps (financially, medically, physically or emotionally).

Fuck off with the appropriating, and the forced teaming.

NO.
The very idea is as offensive as it is ridiculous.

TRAs are constantly denying that trans people have any medical/mental conditions - so “trans” is either a disorder or medical condition that results in disability or it is something entirely different and should not be appropriated to try to harness any sympathy or concessions that disabled people have fought so hard for.

Don't worry. If you want any government money for being disabled, you won't be able to self-identify then.

Runki · 16/07/2024 12:08

I want to be included in the flag for having quite long arms and freckles. Can I be on the flag?

On a serious note, what a condescending, patronising and arrogant comment from that person in the article. Also, I am hearing impaired and don't want to be on the flag, thank you. I don't identify in any way with trans people. I have no feelings about them one way or another but I don't want to be grouped together with them, much as I wouldn't want to be included in a flag, should one exist, for any other group I wasn't part of....for instance, the Berwick-upon-Tweed Bell ringers Society, or the Union of Retired Watchmakers.

ThatAgileGoldMoose · 16/07/2024 12:07

housethatbuiltme · 16/07/2024 12:02

I don't understand the concept of 'pride' especially over things that aren't choices. I mean live and let live if anyone wants a party they can but I don't really get it.

I'm not ashamed of my gender, race, nationality, disabilities or anything else I am but I also see no need to be proud of them. They aren't achievements they are just my life.

Pride is for things you achieve, you can be proud of say getting a degree or being recognized in a hobby or achieving a goal but something thats not a choice or in your control is not really a pride thing.

Its like how nationalist make me cringe thinking they are better than others just because they where born somewhere there parent just happened to be. My disability is not something I had any say in or control over, I'm not ashamed or sorry to be disabled but I'm not 'proud' that my brain/body doesn't work as it should (that would be weird).

LGB pride means not trying to hide who you are attracted to for fear of violence, ridicule, discrimination, stigmatise etc. It's broadly accepted that we don't choose to identify as L,G or B, it is innate.

(I do agree with the majority of your post. I certainly don't see much reason to be proud of my disabilities.)

StealthSpinach · 16/07/2024 12:07

I was extremely offended to be asked if I “identified as disabled” on a government form recently. I don’t fucking identify as disabled - because if I “identified” as disabled, I’d be able to identify out of it.

I would be able to change the fact I am in pain every second of my life.
I would be able to change the fact I am below the poverty line as I can’t work due to my disability.
I would be able to change the fact that I have not been able to achieve any of the dreams I once held.
I would be able to change the fact that no one gives a shit, and no one helps (financially, medically, physically or emotionally).

Fuck off with the appropriating, and the forced teaming.

NO.
The very idea is as offensive as it is ridiculous.

TRAs are constantly denying that trans people have any medical/mental conditions - so “trans” is either a disorder or medical condition that results in disability or it is something entirely different and should not be appropriated to try to harness any sympathy or concessions that disabled people have fought so hard for.

Quietnights · 16/07/2024 12:05

MrsToddsShortcut · 16/07/2024 11:58

This wouldn't be so offensive if in society generally, the Disabled community weren't one of the most overlooked, underfunded and discriminated against.

One of the reasons so much EDI focuses on TQIA+ is because it costs pennies to stick up a progress flag decal or change a company header on social media. Whereas including disabled people actually costs significant amounts of money because it usually involves making changes to building design. I took my son to see a special school recently. My mum couldn't get in the building as they had absolutely no wheelchair access (old Victorian building) but there were posters everywhere for the LGBTQIA+ society. One costs pennies and the other involves money on structural changes.

Who were the main group the Tories targeted in their 'back to work' drive before the election? Yep, PIP and ESA claimants. Who are negatively affected by Pride Crossings? Anyone who relies on a guide dog or assistance dog.

Who are affected by public toilets not having hoists or proper adult changing stations? Or by the repurposing of disabled toilets? Anyone with a physical or hidden disability.

Who are still discriminated against in employment by employers who don't want to spend money on reasonable adjustments? Why are schools exempt from making reasonable adjustments for disabled pupils if the LEA is able to argue it can't affordable to make them?

But it's okay. We're included on a flag that was supposed to already represent us. And everyone knows that the most important thing about inclusion is being seen to make the right noises, not actually including the disabled.

Although that said, having a nice disabled heart on the progress flag is a sure fire way to bat away criticism of all the autistic kids caught up in the TQIA+ and all the kids on puberty blockers who are now living with crippling osteoporosis and shuffling along the pride marches with walking sticks or in wheelchairs.

All of this.

And don't forget the disabled people who, according to the creators of the Pride flag, are no longer entitled to same sex carers for intimate care, not even if they are severely disabled and non-verbal. Safeguarding is put aside in favour of gender identity. And if you complain about that, you get called names. Welcome to the brave new world of Progress Pride 'diversity.'.

Theunamedcat · 16/07/2024 12:02

Being disabled is not something you can identify as

housethatbuiltme · 16/07/2024 12:02

I don't understand the concept of 'pride' especially over things that aren't choices. I mean live and let live if anyone wants a party they can but I don't really get it.

I'm not ashamed of my gender, race, nationality, disabilities or anything else I am but I also see no need to be proud of them. They aren't achievements they are just my life.

Pride is for things you achieve, you can be proud of say getting a degree or being recognized in a hobby or achieving a goal but something thats not a choice or in your control is not really a pride thing.

Its like how nationalist make me cringe thinking they are better than others just because they where born somewhere there parent just happened to be. My disability is not something I had any say in or control over, I'm not ashamed or sorry to be disabled but I'm not 'proud' that my brain/body doesn't work as it should (that would be weird).

MrsToddsShortcut · 16/07/2024 11:58

This wouldn't be so offensive if in society generally, the Disabled community weren't one of the most overlooked, underfunded and discriminated against.

One of the reasons so much EDI focuses on TQIA+ is because it costs pennies to stick up a progress flag decal or change a company header on social media. Whereas including disabled people actually costs significant amounts of money because it usually involves making changes to building design. I took my son to see a special school recently. My mum couldn't get in the building as they had absolutely no wheelchair access (old Victorian building) but there were posters everywhere for the LGBTQIA+ society. One costs pennies and the other involves money on structural changes.

Who were the main group the Tories targeted in their 'back to work' drive before the election? Yep, PIP and ESA claimants. Who are negatively affected by Pride Crossings? Anyone who relies on a guide dog or assistance dog.

Who are affected by public toilets not having hoists or proper adult changing stations? Or by the repurposing of disabled toilets? Anyone with a physical or hidden disability.

Who are still discriminated against in employment by employers who don't want to spend money on reasonable adjustments? Why are schools exempt from making reasonable adjustments for disabled pupils if the LEA is able to argue it can't affordable to make them?

But it's okay. We're included on a flag that was supposed to already represent us. And everyone knows that the most important thing about inclusion is being seen to make the right noises, not actually including the disabled.

Although that said, having a nice disabled heart on the progress flag is a sure fire way to bat away criticism of all the autistic kids caught up in the TQIA+ and all the kids on puberty blockers who are now living with crippling osteoporosis and shuffling along the pride marches with walking sticks or in wheelchairs.

BeachParty · 16/07/2024 11:57

Sloejelly · 16/07/2024 11:55

PP is right, this thread totally does smack of "Wot about International Men's Day?!"

You are comparing men with their universal privilege and power, to disabled people?

Erm...no. 🙄

BeachParty · 16/07/2024 11:56

CocoapuffPuff · 16/07/2024 11:52

Goodness, another one.

Do you wear a helmet for walking, luv,? You ought to consider it.

Rational response 🙄😂
👍

Sloejelly · 16/07/2024 11:55

PP is right, this thread totally does smack of "Wot about International Men's Day?!"

You are comparing men with their universal privilege and power, to disabled people?

CervixSampler · 16/07/2024 11:54

I'm sat here waiting for bread to bake and wondering what identity/identities I have. I'm coming up blank. I'm just me and couldn't possibly design a flag to sum it up.

CocoapuffPuff · 16/07/2024 11:52

BeachParty · 16/07/2024 11:48

So . you didn't really want to be included anyway, but just pretended that you did so you could have a whinge that you weren't included along with everyone else on the thread.
PP is right, this thread totally does smack of "Wot about International Men's Day?!"

Goodness, another one.

Do you wear a helmet for walking, luv,? You ought to consider it.

Thelnebriati · 16/07/2024 11:51

July is disability Pride month. I'm not proud of being disabled, it is what it is. I don't like the flag.

But can we not just have one fucking thing that's about us?

ThatAgileGoldMoose · 16/07/2024 11:50

CrunchyCarrot · 16/07/2024 11:35

How very dare you suggest anything other than Rainbow Carrots? If they aren't diverse, what is?

Signed, Grumpy Carrot.

I think you'll find that's your unconscious cocoapuffphobia talking.

BeachParty · 16/07/2024 11:48

CocoapuffPuff · 16/07/2024 09:52

Oh dear.

Sarcasm just flies over your head, doesn't it, sweetie?

Go lie down before you hurt yourself.

So . you didn't really want to be included anyway, but just pretended that you did so you could have a whinge that you weren't included along with everyone else on the thread.
PP is right, this thread totally does smack of "Wot about International Men's Day?!"

Gettingbysomehow · 16/07/2024 11:47

Bloody hell. I'm disabled and not LGBT and I'm not going to celebrate.
I'm a 1980s adult and I remember the LGBT struggle when it was real hundreds of people dying with aids, discrimination, violence, not being able to get a job, chucked out of the army for being gay.
This is what pride is for not men in dresses or disabled people (unless they are gay).
It's become a farce Ooh I feel a bit depressed I need my own flag!!
This bollox does directly affect the people thst pride was originally for.
I'm sick of the fetish and BDSM element that prances about in rubber and leather at every pride too, no doubt they will soon want their own flag too.

sashh · 16/07/2024 11:43

SeeSeeRider · 16/07/2024 10:07

I agree. I think diversity is the most important thing. I fully support the inclusion of disability in Pride.

Even though you are being told by people with disabilities that we do not want this?

You do know there is a fetish about having sex with disabled people don't you?

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DeanElderberry · 16/07/2024 11:43

Apologies if someone else already suggested this, I have honoured tradition by nrtft.

JusteanBiscuits · 16/07/2024 11:43

Jimblebells · 16/07/2024 11:09

This is stupid. Not all but many in the lgbtq... whatever... choose this way of life, no one ever ever chooses to be disabled so should not be on the freaking flag.

Wow. So many in the LGBTQ group choose to be LGBTQ?

CrunchyCarrot · 16/07/2024 11:42

eatfigs · 16/07/2024 11:41

That's what the green stripe is for!

But why do all vegetables have to be described as 'green'?? I identify as orange!! Pfffft.

DeanElderberry · 16/07/2024 11:42

You're all shocking begrudgers, I demand a spectacles-wearers stripe. Maybe honouring our long established historic oppression by being a chequerboard of ghastly NHS 1960s fake-tortoiseshell and even ghastlier NHS 1960s plastic pink. It would also need to be the biggest stripe, so that we could see it.

eatfigs · 16/07/2024 11:41

CactusMactus · 16/07/2024 11:38

Are vegetarians not represented on the flag? WFT.... outraged.

That's what the green stripe is for!

Quietnights · 16/07/2024 11:40

SerafinasGoose · 16/07/2024 11:33

Isn't that the truth?

Just as they've tried, and to no small end succeeded, in their colonisation of female bodies.

The offensive, unnecessary prefix of 'cis', 'people with a cervix', 'gestational parents'; not even, on some occasions, stopping short of 'menstruator/bleeder'.

Might as well come out with what they really think of us and call us cunts.

So well put.