FFS disability is now on the pride flag

Oppression is being shot in the head for daring to get an education.

Oppression is being killed for not covering your hair.

Oppression is being sold in marriage as a child to an older man, because your family need to eat.

Oppression is female infanticide because boy children are more valuable.

Oppression is being raped & murdered because you don't have access to a safe toilet.

Oppression is constantly being a murder statistic in the UK.

Oppression is not being allowed to get together in public to speak about the biological reality of being a woman without being abused verbally or physically.

Oppression is having hard won rights taken away and being abused for protesting.

Oppression is the white police shooting a Black woman dead in her own home.

Rest in peace Sonya Massey.

When did the US police last shoot a trans person who wasn't Black?

My reading of the Disability Pride thing is that some disability advocates have noted the success of Gay Pride, and so they are looking to recreate that for their group.

I was at a Disability Pride event with my work, and it was nice enough, some craft tables, some speeches, some groups showcasing products and services.

I don't think there is any chance it will catch on the same way though.

"Hate" means "failure to submit" often enough.

Yes, it's not helpful.

”Hate” is another word that’s become meaningless. It could refer to racist thugs fire-bombing a BAME person’s house, but these days it’s far more likely to mean “someone disagreed with me on Twitter”.

@UpThePankhurst

Yep

'Oppressed' is another word that's been emptied of all actual meaning and is now basically standing in for 'do whatever I say or I'll scweam'.

Oppression is not having equal access to law or justice and when you get hit by someone or ill treated in plain sight of the police, they look away or tell you you deserved it. Like the women meeting to defend their rights.

Oppression is being used to provide labour to others without ability to refuse. Like the price of your access to a refuge or a changing room or the women's toilets being that any man who wishes can make use of you and your body in his personal agenda. Like having to pretend via pronouns against your own beliefs and perceptions.

Oppression is just not having the access to public spaces and daily life as others do. Such as a wheelchair user without ramps, dropped kerbs and accessible doorways and toilets. Such as women who are not able to use mixed sex spaces regardless of what a man says is happening between his ears at the time, or whether or not he's got a nice bit of paper.

Oppression is not poncing about with a flag with half the establishment dancing around with you to prove how cool they are.

If they stirred up all those colours together it would just end up a muddy brown. The connotations of that don't even need pointing out.

What a shame. Stonewall, Pride etc started out as such commendable efforts. The fact that they've now become mired in homophobia, biphobia, misogyny and male rights activism is hard to swallow.

And of course AGPs are the most oppressed of all.

One, that flag is an ugly mess. Two - they add disability and not bisexuality?

Not RTFT but it seems to me that it's turning into a 'good, oppressed people' flag, which includes everyone who isn't part of a 'bad, oppressor' class. All those axes of oppression. Except sex, of course, because we all know white middle-class women are in the Bad People category.

I've even seen a version incorporating the Palestinian flag colors.

The more people the flag includes the less ownership any one group feels towards it and the less important it is. There are far more disabled people than LGBT people. If they decide it's now their flag ( which they won't any more than non white people were keen to claim it despite them getting a stripe) then it will have changed focus even more. It's all got very silly. It will never be my flag no matter what mad colours they add to it.

Last year McDonald’s had the disability rainbow decal in their windows. I thought it was just yet an other pride rainbow. Why does everything have to be bloody ‘pride’?

There was one in the biggish town I was visiting some days ago.

Discounting the (mostly blue-haired) stewards looking self-important with clipboards and walkie-talkies, and the rent-a-brass-ensemble, there were about 40-50 people, including quite a lot of young kids evidently dragged along by adults.

Is it? I haven't seen one disability pride event adverised at all. Plenty of other pride events going on in July even though they just had last month.

Christ! And meanwhile a disabled person can’t use the toilet whilst this person sticks something up their inverted penis is some weird fetish of sharing a photo of them doing that!

This is a male problem whichever way we look at it. Therefore 100% agree on creation of a gender neutral space in the men’s toilets.

Maybe a small section of the gents could be taken to make an additional cubicle that is gender neutral.

Yes.

Well said WhatsUp.

I also want to remind everyone of this incident.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12535827/Transgender-ex-Labour-MSP-Heather-Herbert-disabled-toilet-Gatwick-Airport.html

I think that third spaces (or maybe that should be fourth spaces) are needed. This does not mean rebranding the disabled toilet or making the ladies mixed sex.

Maybe a small section of the gents could be taken to make an additional cubicle that is gender neutral. This would of course be accessed from the hallway/public space and not via the gents.

It's about time that men gave a tiny bit to help ease this situation.

Throwing disabled people under the bus by, for example, declaring accessible loos to be also all-gender loos without building any extra accessible loos so that disabled people with continence problems end up waiting whilst an able person with special non-binary gender feelz uses the only accessible loo

Try being a 1 to 1 carer in this instance too. Knowing your client/relative has urgent toilet needs, yet someone who is perfectly capable of holding their pee or poo for a few minutes is ahead of them in the queue. I have a disabled daughter and she simply cannot wait. Of course she wears suitable incontinence products but they must be changed immediately for her dignity and comfort.

Not have to stand behind Paul/Paula George/Georgina who could easily access the urinal next door but doesn't want to because he wants to assert his assumed womanhood. My daughter cannot assert anything for herself. She does not have the intellect or indeed any speech at all. I despair that having faced this waiting problem for many years, it might get even worse if disabled toilets become a dedicated space for trans people also. There is absolutely no comparison.

If you have a vagina, go in the womens loo. If you have a penis, go in the mens loo. Everybody knows which one they have. It really is that simple.

Leave the disabled toilets for people and carers who need the extra space, the changing facilities, the support bars around the room, the higher loos and the lower sinks. All the handholds that disabled people need to get out of their wheelchair and support themselves toward the toilet bowl.

Now I've written that, it seems ludicrous that it has to be said.
The world has gone bloody flaming mad.

There are multiple Jewish communities and their beliefs are often in conflict with each other. Example: when Reform Jewish women want to pray at the Western Wall, they are in conflict with Orthodox Jews who believe that the Wall is mandated by religious law to be male-only.

The Transgender movement colonises other groups such as Lesbians, Gay and for people who are born with disorders (or differences) of Sex Development (DSD). they have been able to recruit a larger population of activists who are personally invested in supporting the movement.

Yet actually I believe that Gender dysphoria should have stayed aligned with disability discrimination law and been a protected charicteristic as mental health is covered in disability legislation.
DSM4 categorised it as a mental disorder but this was changed in DSM5 because of transactivist lobbying.

It's the political element that is the problem. This is not just people that happen to be at a bar or social event together. It's claiming a political voice and that those who oppose it are bigots and unrepresentative.

I mean community can mean anything. Jewish people have a long history as a people that hold them together, a culture, and also for believers a very holistic belief system, which is a lot more than people who happen to fancy other people of the same sex. That's a very marginal connection and you can see that in terms of how many people don't maintain any relationship with the idea of it as a community.

If you look at people who are into Pride, or joking sexuality related lobby groups, the "allies" have more in common with their politics than many of the actual gay and lesbian people. Because it's actually a partisan group.

No, I think that’s exactly what you said