Simple request for 'gender critical' activists

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OP, I mean this with as much empathy as possible - Being trans is not the same as being short or tall or black and being discriminated against within a medical setting.
There are very pertinent reasons why they may need to know your biological sex, whether they think they need to or not - Have you trained in the medical profession to be able to know whether or not that info is necessary or not?

In the case of needing blood, females who have been recently pregnant before cannot donate as just one example.
MANY medical treatments are executed differently based on whether the patient is male or female.

None of that is even considering the fact that so many medical services have been pushed into being "trans inclusive" that gender neutral language is a must, and even if you're looking at an "obvious man" as you say, they will still be asked whether they're pregnant as a precaution.
Ffs, trans women are being sent invitations for smear tests!!
Not everything is an "attack" on your identity OP, sometimes that info is genuinely just needed, other times you may be being asked certain questions specifically BECAUSE of inclusion.

As other's have said - It's a shame you won't be back, because it'd be a lot more helpful to have the context of your experience and to know what the questions were, what the misgendering was, and (vaguely ofc) what type of medical issue you were being seen for - as we can't really respond properly one way or the other without that info... :/

Excellent shortbread advice - thanks! I will certainly be testing out the recipes submitted so far….

Thanks @SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius!

Have to hand it to them: by dumping their shit at women's feet with the expectation that women will do as they say and STFU, end of! OP certainly passes as a man online.

It must be all butter and there should be some cornflour in with the plain flour not rice flour - saying this as a Scot. According to my family some people have the shortbread touch while others don't...I've never been able to work out what the touch actually was though...

Anyway this is my family recipe, it makes a giant tray and it's in old skool ounces:

12oz plain flour
2oz cornflour
4oz caster sugar
9oz butter
generous pinch of salt

Sift the flours and the sugar and salt together in a large bowl.
Rub the butter in to the flour and sugar mixture with your fingers until you can't see the butter and the mixture is "sandy"
Line a large rectangular shallow tin, or a couple of smaller ones, with baking paper.
Press the mixture into the tin, flattening it down with the back of a spoon. Prick the surface all over with a fork.
Bake in a pre-heated oven for 20-30minutes, depending how golden you like your shortbread. Temp is Gas 4/ 180/ 350.
Remove from oven, sprinkle with sugar and immediately cut into squares in the tin. Leave to cool before removing from the tin.

Enjoy!

It’s the BBC Good Food recipe for shortbread, @Ereshkigalangcleg - I just add instant espresso powder and chopped walnuts.

Apologies, meant to quote but my @ undid my formatting!

I make coffee and walnut shortbread - it is delicious, if I do say so myself.

Do you have a recipe for this? Sounds lovely!

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius

Replace 50g of the flour in a standard shortbread recipe with cornflour and you'll have lovely biscuits.

What was the point of a drive-by post by the OP? Just chastising Mumsnetters in case of wrong think?

I am finding it very difficult to believe the basics of the OP. Do they expect us to believe that they got an actual face-to-face consultation at a GP surgery?

I make coffee and walnut shortbread - it is delicious, if I do say so myself. But I don’t bake often, because when I bake, I eat, and my waistline is already more of an equator!

Shortbread, mmm! I'd like the recipe but won't make it till Christmas. It's traditional.

As you've not given any relevant information and you've said you wont be responding, there is no point whatsoever in responding to you. What a pointless load of rubbish.

Edited as nothing to add now I have read the last few posts 😊

My shortbread doesn't work out very well either. Should the recipe include rice flour?

(I always hope that a sensible answer will educate. If not the OP who presumably flounced off as soon as posting, then others who are quietly reading. But I am probably naive.)

Watching with interest. I've never yet successfully made shortbread....

Given that the OP won’t be back to clarify their post or partake in any discussion resulting from it, does anyone have a good shortbread recipe? I’m looking to replicate Tesco instore bakery ‘finest’.

Absolutely. It's pathetic.

Lol yes I can just imagine it now…

Me: I don’t think I should work with trans people.

My boss: you’re sacked.

My ex MIL went to the GP once and was very upset that they referred to her as an ex smoker.

In her eyes she made the effort to give up so why was she being 'judged'?

I pointed out that medically speaking, she will always be an ex smoker, as although her risks of certain disease aren't as high as a smoker, they aren't as low as a 'never smoker'. She didn't realise this and was a bit sheepish about having moaned about the doctor 'judging' her (as if the GP would give a toss about her smoking status beyond the relevance to her health).

I think this is probably a similar situation - if you're not a medical person it's not always obvious what is medically relevant and what isn't.

I'm trans (booo!) and started transitioning 17 years ago.

You might want to look at your own prejudice.

You've come here with the attitude that we are all awful and to lecture us.

I don't think that anyone should be treated with a lack of respect.

asked me clearly inappropriate questions which was obviously from 'gender critical' rhetoric. I ended up leaving and now I have all the palaver of having to go through the practice manager to make a complaint.

You don't say what the 'inappropriate questions' were. You've decided they were inappropriate but you don't give us enough information to decide whether they really were inappropriate (in which case, we might be able to support you and to say yes you are justified in your complaint). Instead we are left to take your word for it.

The problem here is the number of cases we've seen of denial of reality and a wish to pretend that sex doesn't matter. The problem is that sex continues to matter after transition and it may well be relevant to your care in certain circumstances.

I also do not think it is ok to force others into your belief system. Pronouns use is about controlling other people. That's not ok. I'm also curious as to how you were misgendered if you were being addressed directly. You don't typically use pronouns when addressing people directly.

I find your post somewhat leading and goady for that reason.

I will stress the point again that I do think that all patients should be treated with respect and dignity but I also think there are other issues going on with your own confrontational attitude to come on here and tell us that we are doing things wrong.

None of us are to blame for how some person treated you at the doctors. Why are you trying to pin it on MN and anyone gender critical? Could you explicitly explain why you think it's women on MNs fault? Why did you feel the need to come and scold us?

It's fascinating to see this happen. You have come and sought us out, rather than deal with the issue properly through the appropriate channels. And you don't even give us the details of why it was so problematic anyway.

So yeah. Meh. I don't see why we should be engaging with this particularly.

Free speech and sunlight.

Thanks OP.

Whilst you come across as misinformed (about what gender critical actually means) posts like yours are enlightening for those who do seek to, genuinely, educate themselves around the issues.

Certainly "not in the spirit" but I'm not sure there should be such a closely policed "spirit" in the first place.

On the off chance you're reading OP and that any of what you wrote is true, YOU'VE BEEN LIED TO. People who cared about you would never tell you that disagreement = wishing you didn't exist. That's what cults do. Not friends.

@NoShortKing - I think it is utterly hypocritical for you to say that trans people should be able to refuse treatment from a healthcare professional because of their beliefs, but trans activists say that no biological woman can insist on having intimate care from another biological female. And lesbians cannot have female only groups, or say that they don’t want penetrative sex from a biological male simply because he has declared himself to be a woman and a lesbian.

Hell, women aren’t allowed female only loos or changing rooms, but you want to discriminate against anyone who doesn’t enthusiastically espouse your (mistaken) belief that humans can change sex.

It is possible to be gender critical without being transphobic!