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Simple request for 'gender critical' activists

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NoShortKing · 15/07/2024 12:51

I'm registered after an awful incident a few days ago, but I'm glad that it forced me to wait before posting as it's enabled me to be more circumspect about things. I'm trans (booo!) and started transitioning 17 years ago. I'm just a guy in the world, few know I'm trans, nobody cares, as it should be.

The other day I had a health appointment, unrelated to being trans or anything that could be relevant, yet the worker obviously had looked into my medical history, misgendered me (I'm a bald bloke with a beard ffs), asked me clearly inappropriate questions which was obviously from 'gender critical' rhetoric. I ended up leaving and now I have all the palaver of having to go through the practice manager to make a complaint.

Here's a really simple solution, if you're a 'gender critical' activist then realise that it's clearly inappropriate for you to work with trans people and ask for someone else to see them. If I had a problem with the existence of, I don't know, black people, tall people, I don't know, people with tattoos or something, then I would just ask someone else to see them. If in my job I was asked to see someone who was openly 'gender critical' I would just tell my lead that I would not be the best person to see them and she would have no problem with that.

I've talked with loads of people about this and nobody thinks this is unreasonable..and certainly in terms of the NHS something that is completely doable with a group that makes up 0.5% of the population.

Obviously, given that I'm in the hornet's nest, I won't be responding, just will leave that request to think about this if you're in a public facing job.

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duc748 · 18/07/2024 16:40

I have one of those plancha hot plates

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Wow! they're not cheap, are they?

AlisonDonut · 18/07/2024 16:33

I took a photo a few months back! As you do.

Simple request for 'gender critical' activists
AlisonDonut · 18/07/2024 16:31

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2024 16:22

Which sort of pan do you need for the Welsh cakes?

I have one of those plancha hot plates that I use for large pancakes, for searing peppers and veg for putting in flat breads and such. They are great for Welsh cakes.

Chersfrozenface · 18/07/2024 16:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2024 16:22

Which sort of pan do you need for the Welsh cakes?

A heavy frying pan (or a bakestone).

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2024 16:22

Which sort of pan do you need for the Welsh cakes?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2024 16:20

And as for the rest, effective tho they are I'm not sure even kiwi farmers could identify you from your shortbread recipe.

Grin
Naunet · 18/07/2024 16:18

NoShortKing · 15/07/2024 12:51

I'm registered after an awful incident a few days ago, but I'm glad that it forced me to wait before posting as it's enabled me to be more circumspect about things. I'm trans (booo!) and started transitioning 17 years ago. I'm just a guy in the world, few know I'm trans, nobody cares, as it should be.

The other day I had a health appointment, unrelated to being trans or anything that could be relevant, yet the worker obviously had looked into my medical history, misgendered me (I'm a bald bloke with a beard ffs), asked me clearly inappropriate questions which was obviously from 'gender critical' rhetoric. I ended up leaving and now I have all the palaver of having to go through the practice manager to make a complaint.

Here's a really simple solution, if you're a 'gender critical' activist then realise that it's clearly inappropriate for you to work with trans people and ask for someone else to see them. If I had a problem with the existence of, I don't know, black people, tall people, I don't know, people with tattoos or something, then I would just ask someone else to see them. If in my job I was asked to see someone who was openly 'gender critical' I would just tell my lead that I would not be the best person to see them and she would have no problem with that.

I've talked with loads of people about this and nobody thinks this is unreasonable..and certainly in terms of the NHS something that is completely doable with a group that makes up 0.5% of the population.

Obviously, given that I'm in the hornet's nest, I won't be responding, just will leave that request to think about this if you're in a public facing job.

Why are you bringing this here? Take it to a mens forum.

Im sorry you find facts to be triggering, but you changing your identity is your choice, what’s not your choice is forcing everyone else to play along.

Chersfrozenface · 18/07/2024 16:17

TWETMIRF · 18/07/2024 16:07

Have you tried heva (pronounced heavy) cake? It's another corniche recipe but not as well known upcountry as the saffron

No, I haven't. I may have to give it a go - or better still, get my daughter to make some, she's a better baker than me.

In the meantime, I must buy some bara brith.

TWETMIRF · 18/07/2024 16:07

Chersfrozenface · 18/07/2024 09:43

While we're on treats from western areas, I am very partial to a Cornish saffron bun. Like a fruit teacake, only better.

Have you tried heva (pronounced heavy) cake? It's another corniche recipe but not as well known upcountry as the saffron

Chersfrozenface · 18/07/2024 11:09

duc748 · 18/07/2024 10:58

Welsh cakes are great! And easy to make if you have the right kind of pan.

Or a bakestone. Even Amazon sells them - KitchenCraft on Amazon illustrates its "baking stone" with Welsh cakes on it!

duc748 · 18/07/2024 10:58

Welsh cakes are great! And easy to make if you have the right kind of pan.

lcakethereforeIam · 18/07/2024 10:24

So happy for you @Kucinghitam

I'm making some blueberry muffins later.

BezMills · 18/07/2024 10:16

"Day Late and a Dollar Short, Didn't Read Thread But You're All Rotters"

Brevity is the soul of wit

Chersfrozenface · 18/07/2024 09:43

While we're on treats from western areas, I am very partial to a Cornish saffron bun. Like a fruit teacake, only better.

Kucinghitam · 18/07/2024 06:41

I just discovered Welsh cakes this week Shock How have I missed half a century of these magically delicious morsels?

Simple request for 'gender critical' activists
Datun · 18/07/2024 06:07

Christinapple · 17/07/2024 23:57

This is the wrong website to ask for advice on, or to even mention you are trans.

I personally advise being very careful what you share about yourself as there are gender critical hate sites (e.g. kiwifarms, which many mumsnet users are members of) and twitter accounts that stalk and harass trans people they have came across online and offline.

😆 At least read the op, christin. They've plopped and run, not sharing nuthin.

And as for the rest, effective tho they are I'm not sure even kiwi farmers could identify you from your shortbread recipe.

Christinapple · 18/07/2024 00:02

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 15/07/2024 12:55

No. That would be asking people to illegally discriminate. It's not going to happen.

To answer what I think OP is asking, if someone providing a service (e.g. NHS employee during a consultation) feels their ability to do their job/provide the same service to a patient as they would any other patient would be affected for any reason (e.g. they have an issue with the patient's race, sexuality, being trans etc) then the correct procedure would be to inform their manager. Who could then try their best to assign the patient to someone who doesn't have an issue with them.

It depends on many factors, but in practice it probably won't happen much as the employee doesn't want to look bad or incompetent and would just proceed to provide a more negative service to the patient. The outcome of this could potentially mean the patient is unhappy with the negative service and feels the need to address this with a complaint.

Christinapple · 17/07/2024 23:57

NoShortKing · 15/07/2024 12:51

I'm registered after an awful incident a few days ago, but I'm glad that it forced me to wait before posting as it's enabled me to be more circumspect about things. I'm trans (booo!) and started transitioning 17 years ago. I'm just a guy in the world, few know I'm trans, nobody cares, as it should be.

The other day I had a health appointment, unrelated to being trans or anything that could be relevant, yet the worker obviously had looked into my medical history, misgendered me (I'm a bald bloke with a beard ffs), asked me clearly inappropriate questions which was obviously from 'gender critical' rhetoric. I ended up leaving and now I have all the palaver of having to go through the practice manager to make a complaint.

Here's a really simple solution, if you're a 'gender critical' activist then realise that it's clearly inappropriate for you to work with trans people and ask for someone else to see them. If I had a problem with the existence of, I don't know, black people, tall people, I don't know, people with tattoos or something, then I would just ask someone else to see them. If in my job I was asked to see someone who was openly 'gender critical' I would just tell my lead that I would not be the best person to see them and she would have no problem with that.

I've talked with loads of people about this and nobody thinks this is unreasonable..and certainly in terms of the NHS something that is completely doable with a group that makes up 0.5% of the population.

Obviously, given that I'm in the hornet's nest, I won't be responding, just will leave that request to think about this if you're in a public facing job.

This is the wrong website to ask for advice on, or to even mention you are trans.

I personally advise being very careful what you share about yourself as there are gender critical hate sites (e.g. kiwifarms, which many mumsnet users are members of) and twitter accounts that stalk and harass trans people they have came across online and offline.

mrshoho · 17/07/2024 20:35

Catching up on this thread and it really is the thread that just keeps on giving. Thank you dear vipers or are we transformed into hornets these days?

Well I had no ingredients for the millionaires shortbread but my daughter made a batch of plain and also another with lemon zest and pleasantly satisfied my yearnings.

But then the thread took a swerve and there's been all this talk of tablet. My mind went back to a long ago trip to the Lake District where we first tasted the most amazing homemade tablet. This is now on my to do list this weekend. Not to visit the Lake sadly but to attempt a scrumptious batch 😋

DeanElderberry · 17/07/2024 19:40

PurpleSparkledPixie · 17/07/2024 19:25

I did think that but didn't want to get caught for using the t word. White chocolate is painful enough without the added scraping shudders

I have been using words where words need to be used, let them scrape never so scratchily. I was also delighted with the J K Rowling reference upthread.

SinnerBoy · 17/07/2024 19:31

Tablet. The Scottish physicochemical impossibility of concentrating 2 lb of sugar into a 1 lb confection.

PurpleSparkledPixie · 17/07/2024 19:25

FrippEnos · 17/07/2024 16:58

Transfudge?

I did think that but didn't want to get caught for using the t word. White chocolate is painful enough without the added scraping shudders

XChrome · 17/07/2024 19:09

porridgecake · 17/07/2024 12:21

Yes. I make it with something called "Vegan Block". It is a really good substitute for butter and I use it for baking and spreading. I can't remember who makes it but it is in dark brown or black packaging and sold alongside the butter and margarine.

I've never seen that here in Canada, alas. There are lots of vegan butter substitutes, so hopefully they will do the job.

Datun · 17/07/2024 17:44

Toasting and buttering Welsh cakes. It's like a suggestion from God.

... or maybe not God 😱