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Simple request for 'gender critical' activists

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NoShortKing · 15/07/2024 12:51

I'm registered after an awful incident a few days ago, but I'm glad that it forced me to wait before posting as it's enabled me to be more circumspect about things. I'm trans (booo!) and started transitioning 17 years ago. I'm just a guy in the world, few know I'm trans, nobody cares, as it should be.

The other day I had a health appointment, unrelated to being trans or anything that could be relevant, yet the worker obviously had looked into my medical history, misgendered me (I'm a bald bloke with a beard ffs), asked me clearly inappropriate questions which was obviously from 'gender critical' rhetoric. I ended up leaving and now I have all the palaver of having to go through the practice manager to make a complaint.

Here's a really simple solution, if you're a 'gender critical' activist then realise that it's clearly inappropriate for you to work with trans people and ask for someone else to see them. If I had a problem with the existence of, I don't know, black people, tall people, I don't know, people with tattoos or something, then I would just ask someone else to see them. If in my job I was asked to see someone who was openly 'gender critical' I would just tell my lead that I would not be the best person to see them and she would have no problem with that.

I've talked with loads of people about this and nobody thinks this is unreasonable..and certainly in terms of the NHS something that is completely doable with a group that makes up 0.5% of the population.

Obviously, given that I'm in the hornet's nest, I won't be responding, just will leave that request to think about this if you're in a public facing job.

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AlisonDonut · 15/07/2024 13:27

'gender critical' rhetoric

So basically asking questions based on reality.

quockerwodger · 15/07/2024 13:18

ErrolTheDragon · 15/07/2024 13:15

This sounds like unfortunately the OP encountered an unprofessional bully and a complaint is justified - but against that individual not gender critical people in general.

Most gender critical feminists are perfectly capable of being professional and courteous (without losing their grip on biological reality when it's relevant).

Depends what was asked.

Which OP has handily left out.

Female born people have different care necessities to male born people.

Reality doesn't give a shit about feelings.
If OP presents as a 'bloke' but needs intimate examinations, questions about female body parts is pertinent, not offensive.

Sloejelly · 15/07/2024 13:17

ErrolTheDragon · 15/07/2024 13:15

This sounds like unfortunately the OP encountered an unprofessional bully and a complaint is justified - but against that individual not gender critical people in general.

Most gender critical feminists are perfectly capable of being professional and courteous (without losing their grip on biological reality when it's relevant).

It sounds like the health professional encountered a prejudiced bully…

ErrolTheDragon · 15/07/2024 13:15

This sounds like unfortunately the OP encountered an unprofessional bully and a complaint is justified - but against that individual not gender critical people in general.

Most gender critical feminists are perfectly capable of being professional and courteous (without losing their grip on biological reality when it's relevant).

nauticant · 15/07/2024 13:13

If in my job I was asked to see someone who was openly 'gender critical' I would just tell my lead that I would not be the best person to see them and she would have no problem with that.

Who's actually the person with the prejudice?

DrSpartacular · 15/07/2024 13:13

YABU

TheBizzies · 15/07/2024 13:12

gender critical beliefs don't render you unable to have interactions with trans identifying people 🤦🏻‍♀️

just more 'oh poor me' tosh

quockerwodger · 15/07/2024 13:11

I'm a bald bloke with a beard

That's just it though isn't it?
You're not.

If you were born female, you remain female.

It's sex that should guide all medical care.

Born female, no prostate, no adams apple, different hips, different ribs, different shoulder proportions, different bone density, different muscle ratios etc etc now I'm no Dr or nurse and even I know there's huge biological differences between those born males and those born females.

I'd argue that it's actually vital in medical situations to know the birth sex of the patient.

People say "gender is bollocks"
Agreed. It's sex that matters.
So in those terms, you weren't misgendered, you were correctly sexed.

Babyboomtastic · 15/07/2024 13:09

You might visibly be a 'balding bloke with a beard' but biologically and medically speaking your still female on some powerful drugs.

The doctor shouldn't have been deliberately insensitive (we don't know if he was) but people have died because they've been treated as a gender of their choice rather than their sex.

You will still have a female circulatory system, female digestive system. Normal blood results will be benchmarked against women and not men. You'll have a female disease risk profile. If you have a heart attack it's more likely to be missed because female symptoms get missed more. But you'll have less chance of that heart attack (unless hormones raise the risk) because you are biological female.

I'm very gender critical. I'd have used your name, no pronouns but I'd have explained why I needed to ask particular questions if they were related to your sex as I know it's a sensitive area for you.

Whether the doctor was unreasonable or you were oversensitive covered down to what questions where asked and the way they were asked. But there'd be precious few areas of medicine where you should be treated as a male.

Sloejelly · 15/07/2024 13:08

You left because a health professional didn’t play along with your fantasy of having changed sex and instead asked you relevant medical questions related to your sex?

WanOvaryKenobi · 15/07/2024 13:05

What were the questions? Hard to say whether they were irrelevant or offensive, or not.

I'm a brown woman. I get asked about my family history as that can be useful when it comes to diagnosing and identifying risk factors for certain conditions - ones that as a non medical professional I wouldn't know about.

Or should I just cry "racism" and and risk not getting comprehensive healthcare?

Tough choice, for sure.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2024 13:04

OP if you have grounds for a complaint, make one. It has nothing to do with anyone here.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 15/07/2024 13:04
  • If they were speaking to you, they would use your name, not your pronouns. So how did they misgender you?
  • What were the ‘clearly inappropriate questions’? Given that biological men donating blood are asked if they could be pregnant, there is a very good chance what you think is inappropriate is actually standard operating procedure.
Beowulfa · 15/07/2024 13:04

OP, did you read about the transman in the US who presented to A&E with abdominal pain and lost the baby she was in labour with, as staff had innacurate medical information?

It is not fair to put medical staff in this situation. Being trans means identifying out of biological reality but in medical situations reality has to take priority over identity feelings.

Ramblingnamechanger · 15/07/2024 13:03

Do you think it is ok for women to ask to be seen by women only for intimate care?

RainWithSunnySpells · 15/07/2024 13:00

In a medical situation, knowing the biological sex of the patient can be pertinent depending on the situation. Without knowing more than the vague OP, it is impossible to tell if that was the case here or not.

ETA - it is entirely possible that the medical person in question was not an activist of any kind. They really just could have been doing their job properly and professionally. For example, understanding the patient's medical history so they don't give treatment that is contraindicated for any reason.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2024 12:59

Obviously, given that I'm in the hornet's nest, I won't be responding

Can you hear yourself? The prejudice here. I am a woman who does not share your ideological belief, but am perfectly capable of working with Christians, Muslims, Spiritualists and people who believe a range of things I don't.

ANameChangePresents · 15/07/2024 12:56

What were the questions? Impossible to know if I sympathise with you without fuller context.

If it was "do you take it up the blah-blah", when you were going for a nose bleed, I could have sympathy.

If they were asking you questions about your actual sex related to the health conditions you were being seen about? Then I'd say let people do their jobs without forcing them to engage in high fantasy.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 15/07/2024 12:55

No. That would be asking people to illegally discriminate. It's not going to happen.

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