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Wes Streeting addresses puberty blockers decision -excellent response

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Fenlandia · 14/07/2024 12:05

https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/1812435914473295927

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https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/1812435914473295927

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NecessaryScene · 16/07/2024 09:45

Good ol' foxphobe, standing up for and speaking out for the 'voiceless community' that only has the world wide medical establishment, EU, Stonewall, the WHO, Margaret Atwood, and...erm...Judith Butler.

Wow. The semicolon is more powerful than I thought - it can cause total brain disconnect between the things it separates.

Valdor · 16/07/2024 09:44

Fenlandia · 16/07/2024 09:42

Doesn't that just keep people in ignorance that an issue exists at all? It's supposed to be a public service broadcaster, not a newsletter for the drag queen community.

I think it’s a major win to have a captured broadcaster not report this as an attack on trans rights. Given the state of the BBC this is good. It doesn’t need coverage, it just needs doing. Which they are :)

Fenlandia · 16/07/2024 09:42

Valdor · 16/07/2024 09:15

Good sign not bad. Their default would have been negative coverage of it. No coverage is a win.

Doesn't that just keep people in ignorance that an issue exists at all? It's supposed to be a public service broadcaster, not a newsletter for the drag queen community.

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lcakethereforeIam · 16/07/2024 09:41

Good ol' foxphobe, standing up for and speaking out for the 'voiceless community' that only has the world wide medical establishment, EU, Stonewall, the WHO, Margaret Atwood, and...erm...Judith Butler. He's forgotten a few, current president of the US, Canada, the Green Party, the SNP, the Lib-Dems, most Unions, etc. But I expect he didn't want to pay the extra that would let him write longer tweets.

Wow, Jo! You're really sticking your neck out.

Wes Streeting addresses puberty blockers decision -excellent response
Slothtoes · 16/07/2024 09:33

These men angrily insisting that children must be burdened with what could be a lifelong cost to their health and sexual/reproductive function.

Grown men screaming that kids must be made into future adults who have pre pubertal bodies (but are aged over legal age of consent) apparently with a risk of cognitive compromise from those powerful drugs.

There’s something very wrong with any adult urge to see other people’s lives made so vulnerable.

SquirrelSoShiny · 16/07/2024 09:25

Floisme · 16/07/2024 08:47

If you can't access it, here's an archive link:
https://archive.ph/BVk1B

This will be the most horrendous mistake.

What private therapist is going to work with anyone with gender identity concerns? Work with them = risk of malicious reporting to professional organisation if non-affirming BUT risk of 'regret malpractice claim' in 5 years time if gender-affirming. Therapists of every stripe will drop gender-questionning individuals like hot potatoes.

The NHS is so overstretched they can just kick the can down the road for a year or two. Private therapists have been plugging the gaps. A lot of private therapists already swerve working with children because of the legal complexities so essentially this will leave some very fearful and desperate young people with zero access to support.

Don't be a fool Keir Starmer! You're smarter than this surely!

WarriorN · 16/07/2024 09:24

Agree @Slothtoes

SSAUK's template letter calling for a public inquiry:

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Public-Inquiry-Letter_following-CASS-1.docx

Slothtoes · 16/07/2024 09:24

I think if you support this why not email Wes Streeting and say why. He needs to be fearless and objective and not be cowed.

WarriorN · 16/07/2024 09:23

Regarding the awful sexual assault on a woman in toilets supposedly by a woman up thread; apparently the same reporter wrote it up for NYBreaking and didn't change the pronouns.

x.com/anyabike/status/1813086635732660563?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Slothtoes · 16/07/2024 09:22

I still think we need a public inquiry if we are to stop this happening again. On the not keeping research records point, the official regulators of research have been aware of the area at least since the Newsnight reports by Deborah Cohen and Hannah Barnes because they gave statements at the time that were broadcast.

Also the official regulators of doctors will have had it raised to them about how health professionals are involved in experimenting on kids and not keeping records with an expectation of publishing, (as they would do in actual legally regulated research).

Those official bodies may or may not have had enough legal powers to do anything to require giving PBs to kids to be considered research and treated as research, or to stop it happening if it already going on, harms were suspected and then confirmed. That state of affairs warrants a public investigation,

If the new law only covers PBs that isn’t enough to safeguard all kids. In this case it might be PBs devastating the lives of kids but currently or in future it could be some other kind of situation that is going on, with adults increasingly concerned, a vested interest group promoting it for political or financial gain, and seemingly nobody having powers to stop it until over a decade has passed. Which delay I would say is due to fears of legal culpability and political loss of face by those in power who have presided over injustice.
I’d say probably vaping in kids or kids use of social media is a different sort of brewing public health scandal with more not being done to stop it legally for financial and political reasons.
But there will be other examples similar to PBs in future (if there aren’t already happening) where the same drivers are there on kids and on the professional people around them and the medical establishment is used to facilitate harm.

Ditto NHS policies need a public enquiry to look at the role of lobby groups in obscuring the terminology the NHS has been using. The way the NHS has been using normalising language around adult medical and surgical transition may have encouraged kids to consider their problems in terms of gender identity as a solution In the first place, and then considering blockers as s reversible pause which was how it was described.

And the role of school policies needs investigating and of course the unethical leading behaviours of the TRA charities who reportedly coached kids in what to say in the clinic to get medication like PBs. So only a public inquiry can really do all that and protect children from medicalised experimentation of different kinds in the future.

WarriorN · 16/07/2024 09:19

*Maugham

WarriorN · 16/07/2024 09:19

And the apricots ....

Wes Streeting addresses puberty blockers decision -excellent response
WarriorN · 16/07/2024 09:18

Maughan thread:

Wes Streeting addresses puberty blockers decision -excellent response
Wes Streeting addresses puberty blockers decision -excellent response
Wes Streeting addresses puberty blockers decision -excellent response
fromorbit · 16/07/2024 09:15

Floisme · 16/07/2024 08:52

Wow your post disappeared in front of my eyes @fromorbit!- before I could read it unfortunately.

I didn't think I said anything dodgy. Oh well hopefully it will reappear.

Valdor · 16/07/2024 09:15

Fenlandia · 15/07/2024 22:46

I'd be glad to be shown to be wrong, but I can't find any coverage of the Wes Streeting story on the BBC website. That's indefensible. Even the dear old Guardian has covered it, albeit with more focus on those who disagree with him.

Good sign not bad. Their default would have been negative coverage of it. No coverage is a win.

WarriorN · 16/07/2024 09:14

Fenlandia · 16/07/2024 08:42

Apparently this got mentioned on the Today programme newspaper review this morning. It's a start but could we have some proper coverage from your own journalists please, BBC?

(Source: https://x.com/JournalismSEEN/status/1813109389739631036 )

The bbc are in part culpable for the backlash by not reporting on this with their health correspondent.

The today programme only mentioned it because they were doing a piece on the shocking levels of threats to MPs and candidates during the election campaign, some being told attending hustings was not safe.

They linked to a piece in the Mail by Maya about the death threats Wes is getting - they are sounding as bad as those Rosie has had. He read out a few awful ones and countered that the decision was based on a medical science review (Cass) showing lack of evidence.

The bbc are being woefully inadequate here. As is KS. He needs to show some leadership.

SquirrelSoShiny · 16/07/2024 09:13

WarriorN · 16/07/2024 08:58

A wonderful thread of Maughanisms 😂

Plopping apricots 😂😆🤣

x.com/gappytales/status/1812949332536271258?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Could you possibly share the rest here? I love the starting line 😂

Main character energy on steroids. Maybe thst explains the bouts of ego rage tantrumming. 'I'm riiiiiight! I'm specccccciaaaaal!'

WarriorN · 16/07/2024 08:58

A wonderful thread of Maughanisms 😂

Plopping apricots 😂😆🤣

x.com/gappytales/status/1812949332536271258?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Floisme · 16/07/2024 08:52

Wow your post disappeared in front of my eyes @fromorbit!- before I could read it unfortunately.

fromorbit · 16/07/2024 08:49

Guardian suggesting this will come up in the Commons. Great more debate needed. Labour MPs against this now up to 7 out of 419.

Streeting is understood to be “minded” to make the ban permanent, subject to consultation and outcome of the judicial review. He is expected to issue a written ministerial statement to parliament on Thursday.

^https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/15/wes-streeting-defends-puberty-blocker-ban-decision-after-labour-criticism^

UN backing for Streeting

Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls

Good to see wesstreeting take a strong and principled approach on the administration of puberty blockers to minors and do the right thing! As I said in my press release on the CASS review, its implementation is key to protecting children, including girls (who are of concern to my mandate) from serious harm https://bit.ly/3SaagXw

There is a tonne of coverage of Streeting in local press. The BBC is looking absurd. This is a major story.

The Telegraph editorial -Labour must stand firm on puberty blockers

https://archive.is/y31wz

Wes Streeting expected to tell parliament why he backs puberty blockers ban

Health secretary understood to be ‘minded’ to make ban permanent as Labour MPs criticise move to retain Tory policy

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/15/wes-streeting-defends-puberty-blocker-ban-decision-after-labour-criticism

Floisme · 16/07/2024 08:47

If you can't access it, here's an archive link:
https://archive.ph/BVk1B

Floisme · 16/07/2024 08:46

According to today's Telegraph the Kings Speech will include a bill on conversion therapy.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/15/labour-ban-conversion-therapy-kings-speech-fears-parents/

It was on Joan Smith's Twitter page and I was able to access it despite the paywall so hopefully you can too.

Fenlandia · 16/07/2024 08:42

Apparently this got mentioned on the Today programme newspaper review this morning. It's a start but could we have some proper coverage from your own journalists please, BBC?

(Source: https://x.com/JournalismSEEN/status/1813109389739631036 )

x.com

https://x.com/JournalismSEEN/status/1813109389739631036

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borntobequiet · 16/07/2024 08:39

I’m sure that even people with no opinions on or concerns about any of the graver issues discussed on here, and who are entirely relaxed about homosexuality, seeing it as entirely normal, must be perplexed about the BBC’s obsession with drag, which borders on the unhealthy.
There must be some very strange people pushing this agenda in the Corporation.

MsGrumpytrousers · 16/07/2024 08:38

Do you really think it was deliberate? The impression I get is of a place that was utterly chaotic and incredibly badly managed. And by the end staff were ridiculously overworked.