Used an 'all genders' bathroom today

Exactly. I often get this reaction when I talk about the tw who is insisting on showering with women in a local sports club. The club is council run, ancient and the showers and changing areas are divided by sex but otherwise completely open. "It's simple - cubicles!" But it would cost thousands to refit to solve a problem that is not even a problem for anyone else. (Said person was offered a separate space but really wants to change with the women....)

Unless your last workplace was the Maze in 1980, I greatly doubt your story.

For me it's emblematic of the spoiled, entitled and financially entitled worldview TRAs have. They must all have been brought up rich because they never seem to understand that the vast changes they so casually demand of the material world around them cost money and time to achieve and the cost will fall on small and medium sized entrepreneurs, and the taxpayer more generally.

To say nothing of the cost in safety and peace of mind.

It's like they think the material world is one of their online games where they can casually make huge changes to the infrastructure with a click of their mouse, and everything else will remain the same.

They have the minds of children.

I would say even when there are more females and small children they are not as bad.

One local pub has the changing area in the disabled dloo (as do a lot of places) but you have to walk past it to get ot the ladies / gents and the pub is child friendly so they are quite heavily used, but they are clean.

Is there any reason, other than the small, why males find disabled toilets are the best place to have a poo?

Where on earth do you work? I can smell a load of shit myself now you mention it.

But that's the problem, most places don't rip out the existing Ladies and Gents loos, they just rebadge them "Gender Neutral - Cubicles" and "Gender Neutral - Cubicles and Urinals" or similar. I get the impression they rarely bother to put sanitary bins in the cubicles of the latter ones either, although I admit I've not done an exhaustive survey on the matter.

With document T, having single sex toilets will be the default (even if they are universal in design) if the premises is big enough for lots of toilets. Then a universal toilet. So a small cafe can still have one mixed sex universal style toilet, but a lot of the theatres and work places that have been talked about will have to have separate male and female toilets. What the definition who can use the female toilets is debatable but they will have a female sign on them. Any non domestic premises (except schools and a couple of other exceptions) refurbishing their toilets or a new building will have to abide by Document T from October. Unless the new government change it.
The problem is that because of privacy concerns, there’s going to be many premises using the enclosed designs in single sex toilets as well which are less safe.

It felt like I was in the men's and everything was covered in pee and nothing catering to women at all. I felt like an intruder, and that it was not a place for women.

This is because any space that has men in it automatically becomes a man's space. Men (collectively, a few might) won't change their behaviour or habits for women's comfort.

'I never gave any thought to the concept before but now I feel really uncomfortable about it '
Glad to hear you admit it, because since 2018 we have all seen so many women often well known, who have said dont be a bigot 'it wouldnt bother me''.
Such a huge fail of imagination and ironically, empathy.

Your last sentence is correct.

Men do have to sit for a dump, you know?

Yes. Most gents toilets have very few cubicles (typically one in a large busy pub) and a row of urinals. To cater for both men and women in gender neutral toilets would require many more cubicles. And I don't much like thinking about drunken men being expected to queue as long as women often have to - the more aggressive men would probably just go and pee in the street.

Thanks for your concern for the more sensitive men who are "disconcerted".

Please please complain. This seems to be a thing in theatres as a lot of them have received "training" from Mermaids or Gendered Intelligence. But it's horrible for everyone and it won't stop if we don't say something. I recently went to the Kiln theatre which had all genders loos. It was great. The men were all going to one and the women were all going to, or rather queuing up for, the other one🤣

You could complain, and say you are unlikely to go there again ...

Just asked the husband and he says they do close it for a poo.

Don’t men close the cubicle door if they are doing a poo?

Or is that something they don’t do in a public loo, like the ?Andrex advert I saw recently which said something like 43% of people won’t use a public loo to do a poo?

(Lucky for them that they can choose, I thought)

Doesn't that leave men and women open to allegations?

"He flashed me" vs "she looked too long in my direction"

We've just moved into a new office at work the toilets on both floors are in pairs one set at either end, fully contained with basins, mirrors, hand dryers etc, with signs in the door indicate both male and female, the men were actually as uncomfortable if not more so than the women and in a week the unspoken agreement seems to be men on the left (the right ones all have a full length mirror rather than just an above sink one, they all have sanitary bins) it's really interesting.

There was also an actual discussion about loos for poos being the ones in the corridor rather than the ones that open into office or shared space. We do work in an environment where we see and deal with horrific things on a daily basis and discuss topics that would make most people's jaws drop, so there's no shyness around difficult topics.

100% agree. I'm willing to stretch as far as your suggestion of a single coprophile or mentally-disturbed individual, but for anyone to then extrapolate to "therefore women's loos are as bad as men's, and in fact loos used by men are even more sparkly clean!" is definitely a load of, um, excrement.

I have never seen shit smeared all over the cubicles in either a women's or mixed sex toilet in my life. I have been in ones that smelled bad because the sanitary pad containers were full and overflowing and there were stinky diapers in the garbage, but shit smears? Give me a break. That is not a thing and the story has to be bogus.

You must have had a coworker who was a coprophile and enjoyed smearing shit all over the walls. That's the only explanation how shit could get everywhere in every cubicle every single day. Since the odds of that happening are incredibly remote, I'm catching a whiff from this story.

Totally. Especially in a place that serves alcohol because so many guys can't aim when they're drinking. In that kind of situation I throw a mountain of paper towels or toilet paper down to protect my shoes from the pee. I then go to town with sanitizing spray on the toilet seat and handle.

Sorry, meant to add that this could have been signposted by the gender neutral ones so you were aware there was a choice.

I was at the Hippodrome last week and the toilets on the lower two floors were certainly single sex - highlighted by the massive queues for the women’s during the interval!

So badly informed. There's over a hundred, dontcha know?