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Used an 'all genders' bathroom today

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Dominoodles · 10/07/2024 19:58

Sent to the theatre today and ended up in an 'all genders' bathroom. Walked in and came face to face with a man and we both instinctively apologised to each other. There was this instant understanding that we should not be sharing that space.

The toilet itself was awful. There was urine splattered all over the seat, a pool of urine on the floor around the base of the toilet, and no sanitary bin that I could see.

I can't say I felt unsafe, exactly - the only man in there was perfectly polite. But it didn't feel 'all genders'. It felt like I was in the men's and everything was covered in pee and nothing catering to women at all. I felt like an intruder, and that it was not a place for women.

I never gave any thought to the concept before but now I feel really uncomfortable about it and I don't really know how to put it into words. What are your thoughts on 'all gender' public bathrooms? I'd love to pick the brains of some ladies here.

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Rycbar · 10/07/2024 20:41

Did anyone go to uni in Leeds about 10-13 years ago? Some of the clubs there had mixed toilets and it was never even talked about it was just accepted.

jelliestfish · 10/07/2024 20:41

I was at an outdoor event recently and used the all gender portaloos several times. They were disgusting, which I put down to them being portaloos until I discovered the single sex ones as I was leaving, which were so much cleaner!

GruntledGoblin · 10/07/2024 20:40

Sausagenbacon · 10/07/2024 20:04

I've used an all genders toilet (the watershed , Bristol). In my experience it was clean, and I didn't feel unsafe. But it just felt wrong. And my husband felt the same way. And I'm unlikely to go there again.
But we're going to have to get used to it, aren't we?

No, we can refuse to accept it and complain Every Single Time. Make a big fuss, be active in their social media etc. I'm local to Bristol and will not spend my money in places with mixed sex loos.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 10/07/2024 20:36

Who thought mixed toilets were a good idea? It's a given that they're more likely to be piss sodden floors than if solely female as lots of males miss. Not one person I know, including my male partner likes them.

I said this on another thread but I was in a pub during the day which had gender neutral toilets, I was in and two males were pissing with the cubicle doors wide open. A woman came in with a young girl and ushered her past. She looked terrified. I just thought yeah this is inclusivity 🙄.

Farting · 10/07/2024 20:34

Dominoodles · 10/07/2024 19:58

Sent to the theatre today and ended up in an 'all genders' bathroom. Walked in and came face to face with a man and we both instinctively apologised to each other. There was this instant understanding that we should not be sharing that space.

The toilet itself was awful. There was urine splattered all over the seat, a pool of urine on the floor around the base of the toilet, and no sanitary bin that I could see.

I can't say I felt unsafe, exactly - the only man in there was perfectly polite. But it didn't feel 'all genders'. It felt like I was in the men's and everything was covered in pee and nothing catering to women at all. I felt like an intruder, and that it was not a place for women.

I never gave any thought to the concept before but now I feel really uncomfortable about it and I don't really know how to put it into words. What are your thoughts on 'all gender' public bathrooms? I'd love to pick the brains of some ladies here.

Well, you probably voted for it. So get used to it.

BetterWithPockets · 10/07/2024 20:33

My old office had unisex loos, but somehow the unspoken rule became the first two were for women and the last two for men. They were fully contained — ie, had loo and washbasin within one cubicle, so you never came face-to-face with anyone else— but I thought it was interesting that even so we gravitated towards certain cubicles according to gender. I do think self-contained cubicles are the way to go, to be honest.

YahdahYahdayYoo · 10/07/2024 20:31

Please complain. Our school introduced all gender toilets. One parent doggedly complained for over a year but the head kept insisting no one else had complained. Fast forward this year the head moans to me toilets are her number one topic with parents, above all else. A frank answer would be she's reaping what she sowed.

Anyway, always complain. Make your opposition heard. If it joins a chorus of voices perhaps some fucker will jump to attention eventually

Dominoodles · 10/07/2024 20:30

Keeptoiletssafe · 10/07/2024 20:29

Were they fully enclosed and private? Because they soon will have to be under the new designs. Which in itself brings up massive safety problems (as well as hygiene problems). No one will know if someone is in there incapacitated or being assaulted.
If you feel ill and head to the toilet you will need to tell someone so that they know you are in there. Enclosed toilets are dangerous for people who are at risk of collapse such as those who are elderly and people with diabetes, epilepsy, heart conditions and strokes. These enclosed cubicles in mix sex public areas are not safe.

Health and Safety has been replaced with ‘Privacy and Dignity’ . Because they are private and enclosed, they will open from the outside quickly, so it’s all in the assaulter’s favour.

Also emergency evacuations are much more risky as you can’t see who is in the toilets quickly. And studies show the reduced ventilation means you are more likely to catch the diseases of the people who went in before you.

OP if you want the stats pm me.

No, it was a couple of cubicles with an open area for hand washing. Not very private

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Keeptoiletssafe · 10/07/2024 20:29

Were they fully enclosed and private? Because they soon will have to be under the new designs. Which in itself brings up massive safety problems (as well as hygiene problems). No one will know if someone is in there incapacitated or being assaulted.
If you feel ill and head to the toilet you will need to tell someone so that they know you are in there. Enclosed toilets are dangerous for people who are at risk of collapse such as those who are elderly and people with diabetes, epilepsy, heart conditions and strokes. These enclosed cubicles in mix sex public areas are not safe.

Health and Safety has been replaced with ‘Privacy and Dignity’ . Because they are private and enclosed, they will open from the outside quickly, so it’s all in the assaulter’s favour.

Also emergency evacuations are much more risky as you can’t see who is in the toilets quickly. And studies show the reduced ventilation means you are more likely to catch the diseases of the people who went in before you.

OP if you want the stats pm me.

FizzyLemons · 10/07/2024 20:29

I used all gender toilets in Vancouver recently. They were separate cubicles with shared basins in a tourist spot - big, new and clean. But the weird thing was the massive window along the wall to the street. I assume this is for safety? It wasn't an entirely comfortable experience going into a cubicle with a man just the other side of a flimsy wall, and then washing hands next to him, with the whole world looking in wondering why they can see into the public toilets.
At the airport they had 5 different toilet blocks next to each other - men's, women's, any gender, baby change and disabled.

ModWolves · 10/07/2024 20:25

I always try to avoid mixed sex toilets. I do not want to be vulnerable and self conscious in them or for my kids to be vulnerable around men in them. I very much value the man-free space, that a women’s toilets is.

This thread should be pinned up for every planner who thinks going mixed sex is something progressive. They’re totally regressive, with a disproportional risk and impact burdened only on women.

Everone should see the links to the excellent Dr Clara Greed talking about why women need women’s toilets, on the thread. I hope women start suing public bodies for sexism because it feels like our women’s toilets are being pulled out at a dangerous rate. Women need women-only toilets. We always have done and always will do. Men who don’t like that are free to campaign for a third space for them to use.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3203454-What-do-you-use-the-womens-toilets-for

What do you use the womens’ toilets for? | Mumsnet

Inspired by recent posts on the Radio 4 thread. I realised that the whole ‘Why do you even care who is pissing in the cubicle next to you?’ argument...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3203454-What-do-you-use-the-womens-toilets-for

FeatherBoas · 10/07/2024 20:20

As a female engineer back in the day often the only toilets were men's (disgusting Portaloos often), fortunately my male colleagues would guard the door for me.

MrsSkylerWhite · 10/07/2024 20:18

I used the ladies lavatories in Morrisons today. There was poo on the seat 🤷‍♀️

Corinthiana · 10/07/2024 20:18

Horrible. I can't cope with that smell.

Tiredalwaystired · 10/07/2024 20:17

Theres a mixed toilet when you go and see Cabaret in London.

I have no problem with bumping into a man in there but oh my god the SMELL!!

wasnt somrething I had given any thought to before but it stank of urine in there in a way that women’s loos really don’t.

Corinthiana · 10/07/2024 20:14

Dominoodles · 10/07/2024 20:11

The floor we were on only had these toilets, and I didn't see any signs suggesting there were different toilets on other floors. If I'd known I'd have gone downstairs to find a ladies!

They should clearly mark them because they certainly claim it on their website!

moreteensthansense · 10/07/2024 20:11

i genuinely don’t care about mixed toilets. Loads of cafes only have one that everybody has to use, or two cubicles that are for everybody. I have a massive issue with dirty loos though 😡 and I don’t see why designating them as mixed means they are not kept clean and tidy.

Dominoodles · 10/07/2024 20:11

Corinthiana · 10/07/2024 20:08

On their website, it says that the all genders toilet offers cubicles and that there are designated female, male and accessible toilets on other floors. If this wasn't your experience then they are misrepresenting the situation.
People will go there, believing there are designated sex segregated toilets, as claimed.

The floor we were on only had these toilets, and I didn't see any signs suggesting there were different toilets on other floors. If I'd known I'd have gone downstairs to find a ladies!

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 10/07/2024 20:11

I’m hoping if we complain enough about the piss covered seats, make it clear it’s leading to us giving lower ratings on TripAdvisor etc, they will work out they either need to spend significantly more money on cleaning or go back to separate men’s and women’s bogs.
I have had a couple of experiences with men not shutting doors, zipping up flies etc, but the piss covered seats is the main problem because it’s depressingly common in places where they have introduced all gender loos for political rather than practical reasons. Works fine in Costa because they clean them frequently. If they are not going to do that I don’t see why we should put up with it.

Dominoodles · 10/07/2024 20:09

Corinthiana · 10/07/2024 20:03

I would definitely complain to the Hippodrome management. That's not at all what this designation of toilet should be. They should be self contained with a sink and hand dryer and floor to ceiling doors. It's not acceptable.

I don't think I'd have batted an eye if it was an all genders seperate bathroom, like a single toilet in a room, but it was normal crappy cubicles and it felt so wrong.

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Corinthiana · 10/07/2024 20:08

On their website, it says that the all genders toilet offers cubicles and that there are designated female, male and accessible toilets on other floors. If this wasn't your experience then they are misrepresenting the situation.
People will go there, believing there are designated sex segregated toilets, as claimed.

frecklejuice · 10/07/2024 20:07

I wouldn't want my youngest going to the toilet on her own if it was mixed, it just wouldn't feel safe. Obviously not all men are perverts or child molesters but I just wouldn't feel comfortable.

Men's toilets are notorious for being disgusting so I'm not looking forward to using them.

ChefsKisser · 10/07/2024 20:06

We went to Stockholm recently who seen miles ahead of UK and almost every public bathroom was mixed sex. It was fine other than DH moaning about having the queue when he never normally does! However they were incredibly clean and had sanitary bins available so no issue.

heldinadream · 10/07/2024 20:05

I go to a cinema and arts centre that has lovely, well designed, new all gender toilets in the main area and still has some of the old sex divided facilities in a back area that I think a lot of the customers are not aware of.
I used the new ones a few times and encountered exactly the same as you, OP, levels of cleanliness poor and splatters of urine and smell. I don't use them any more I use the old ones.
My feeling is they've spent a lot of money and effort to be all up to date and shot themselves in the foot in the process.